and govt rule and regulation
things were great...we trusted gold
gold was god[good]
[in 'g' we trust]

but there was too much gold
not enough paper promises

so they abused the paper promise system
issued far more paper promises than they had gold
then the bust..[so many busts...in histry]

[hundreds of times has this been done
from ceazer to kennedy..lincon etc
all were asasinated trying to give [return to]...honest value
direct

by issueing their own money promise

ie,[not using lying money changers..
and paying their extortion[ursury]

the money[value]..get lost via wars..
[where one king would pretend to fight
with another [cousan king]..to bring an unruly peasentry into line
or bring in a new excuse to tax the peasents ..or simply destroy value in certain areas..to help people move on..etc

anyhow the kings soon didnt have no money
so issued checks[bonds]..with ursury to bankers

also called securities
these had PROMISE of ursury[intrst]..on it..
those money traders of jesus time..mainly hasidic jews

[see the bible outlaws xtain charging xtian ursury]
ditto jew charging jew ursury
and yes even arab charging arab intrest

certainly ursuriors have caused plenty of pain
litle wonder jesus was so upset with that lot

you asked/as i asked..""and to whom does it go?""

you replied..""Since there is no such thing,
my question was either rhetorical or hypothetical,
take your pick.""

i call it missleading
govt validates [underwrites]..value
this value could be gold or a house..or a promise to work

either way
govt dont need to borrow at intrest...
only needs to *recognise egsisting value

but you should know that allready
as should govt

but no
it sucks our taxes
to feed greedy bankers

ever more paper promises
from fools [ursurors]..who lie

jesus wept
if only you could explain it better

I'll try, one under god.

>>jesus wept if only you could explain it better<<

But it isn't easy to know where to start You have difficulty even with the fundamentals.

For instance:

>>money..IS SUPPOSED TO BE A FIXED MEASURE* with a FIXED VALUE*... on the face of the coin*<<

This is emphatically not the case.

Think of Arjay's tally sticks for a moment. Was it important which tree the wood came from? Not at all. It was the number and nature of the notches that counted.

But more to the point, was the "value" of those notches in any way "fixed"? And the answer is "no, it depends entirely on what the stick is used for". The notches were significant in that they carried a meaning - "one shilling", "one penny" etc. - but the actual value of the stick could vary.

If I have a tally stick that says "you owe me five farthings", and you flee the country, what is the value of my currency?

Not a lot. I could light a fire with it, that's all.

If you didn't flee, but were simply unable to pay when I asked, what then? I'd probably sell my tally stick - at a discount - to someone more able to get you to pay.

If you get my drift...

Which is the entire point about money. There are many variables apart from its face value. Time is one of those, which is where interest comes in. Interest is the value attached to money, over time.

>>...bank notes are only the value of their promise to pay in REAL MONEY[coin]<<

Certainly not. Their value fluctuates daily. Our A$1 is today valued at US$1.04. On this day two years ago, it was US$0.71. How would you factor that into a definition of "real money"?

And in this last outtake of yours, you could not be more profoundly, completely and utterly... wrong.

>>govt validates [underwrites]..value this value could be gold or a house..or a promise to work<<

No government has ever promised, or validated, or underwritten, any such thing.

Nor will they. Ever.

"Spare us the twaddle." Then you mention tally sticks and think that history will teach you nothing? Pericles you must be a Globalist of the New World Order ilk.Do you think we should have an international currency owned and controlled by the the likes of Rothschilds,Loeb Bros,Goldman Sachs Rockerfeller etc?

The reason why Utah is going for gold and silver is that the Fed Res owned by the above has destryed the US currency and its' economy.They will soon come for the rest of you super Pericles,when the Bond market and their theiving derivative scams collapse.Only a fool has faith in those who have absolute power,since absolute power corrupts absolutely.

ahhhh tally-sticks
now your talking

[ya know one quater of the british main-bank
was 'bought'..with a tally-stick]

many usa banks were formed..by a promise of funds
that only appeared after the leverage system..created the extra funds

we wont talk about how one dollar..in the "fed"
generated credit for ten dollars..then[up to 99 dolars today]

yes its an easy way to make money
put in one dolar..get a hundred..in credit

[it was the main reason i withdrew my funds
[i wasnt getting intrest anyhow..
and deprived the bank of leveraging..my money
to make their bonus

but back to the root
the tally-stick

you should explain a tally-stick was split in two
[after recording the notiches]

each held half the stick..as proof of a FIXED debt
or FIXED credit owed..it was honest..each stick was fixed as it was

[extra notches ..not matching the other stick indicated a crime

little wonder that lasted hundreds of years
you had your proof..in ya hand..
neither the bank nor you could change 'your' other stick

*SO THE VALUES WERE FIXED
[shillings pennies pounds ARE FIXED WEIGHTS
in fixed metal coin]

ya get that
dont you?

notches..for shillings
are only notches for shillings/weight
[not pounds]

two halves of a stick*..match
or they dont

SO
you were wrong

how does this WRONG
make the other things you said right?

fixed value fixed on a stick
is as good as,..fixed in stone

as long as you keep the stick safe
its as safe..or safer than paper

BUT
neither is as safe as coin

lets say you sign a loan

i got paper...i bundle the paper..with other paper
and lo i got a security..then i get my mate
to say this debt is AAA
not BBB..

and we got enough 'security'..to take your pension funds

even if they are only just paper-promises
and mostly thats egsactly what they are

see what people dont know
is only the origonal signers..have a 'contract'
i cant sell my contract to you..

because you got no lawfull*standing
[arnt a co-signing stakeholder
at the origonal signing..]

[or your signature would be on the stick..[sorry con-tract]

thing is our pensions/funds
hold faulse paper promises

thats why many repossesion orders
are getting kicked out of court

the origonal 'loan' got paid in full
when it got onsold..in a bundle..

[or rather when the blue-ink contract
got on sold]

yeah you could sell ya stick
[they really are quite collectable]

but by and large your paper promises
arnt worth the paper they are printed on

[if they got no weight in court
or cant be enforced..you got paper]

and in this day and age they
dont even have a colectable 'duty paid'.. stamp on it
and some of those that did..[well i collect them]

prefer holding them
than letting bankers use/abuse/loose my value

""I'd probably sell my tally stick..at a discount - to someone more able to get you to pay.""

they would have the stick
in court that USED to be enough
but now we sign it..if your not the signee
you got bucklies ..thats the trouble with selling'securities'

a photocopy of a stick wont do

but then you use that point
to make this
""Which is the entire point about money.
There are many variables apart from its face value.""

the value may vary
the paper may rot/burn/despoil..be de monetised
but as for selling it
[with any hope of getting the govt to honour it]

i hold lots of money...thousands of yen/pounds etc

govts tell me its worthless
heck you can buy it on the web for cents

""Time is one of those,
which is where interest comes in.""lol
"""Interest is the value attached to money,..over time.""

but its NOT..*on the money
its on the blue ink sig-nature..[paper security][loan agreement]

with its*mark of the beast..sig-nature
that saw us getting $$..with intrest put upon it]

$$ of intrest
only to be gotten from bankers
[BY working for bankers]..to get it

"">>...bank notes are
the value..of their promise to pay in REAL MONEY[coin]<<""
""Certainly not...Their value fluctuates daily.
Our A$1 is today valued at US$1.04.""

money fluctuates..against other money
depending on how good the market feels it to be

the wealthy know this..set their debt in rapidly inflating money
[at fixed intrest rates]..then pay it off..when the exchange value of their fixed debt..reaches near zero

[like when the deutchmark fell
to billions of marks to post an envolope]..

THEFT of value can only be done
withpaper value[fiat money decreeing it as value

deeming it a unit of exchange that has value
when its only a franchise..bankers MONEY CHANGERS..*stole from govt