'Nuclear Apocalypse in Japan".by Keith Harmon Snow
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=23764
Keith Snow used to work for General Electric the company that built the reactors in Japan.Once upon a time he was pro-nuclear but this present technolgy gives him grave reasons for concern.

The Nuclear power industry is still in it's infancy.Nuclear fission generated by uranium is very pollutive with high radiation and very long half lives.Thorium reactors are far less pollutive and are seen as a far safer path.Nuclear fusion,ie the reduction of hydrogen to helium is seen as an even a safer alternative but we lack the technology to enable and control it.

I will never say no to safe nuclear technology but our corporate controlled Govts nearly always put profits before people in their persuit of power.Hopefully this will be a wakeup call for the neo-cons in the USA who see limited nuclear weapons (mini nukes) as a means of subduing China and Russia.

Arjay have you ever considered that your theory may be the truth in reverse?
I truly believe it is corporations and owners of polluting fuels, that blacken Nuclear.
The chances this is another Chernobyl are slim.
With over 400, soon to be 500 and growing Nuclear plants in the world we have had what?
Less than ten matters of concern?
And how many presented a risk such as this?
Conspiracy's do exist, I do not doubt it.
But you may well be a victim of them, more often than not your conspiracy's seem to be, to me, back to front.
Look at oil, arjay, ask why the west is not working as they do in war time to find real bulk replacements.
Why has the government given unrealistic solar benefits to first in, but not simply removed tax on them to not be a money maker.
But to be free of both carbon generation and pay for them selves by stopping further bills.

Belly.Read the article before commenting.Snow was involved in the nuclear industry.We know the Japanese Govt is covering up the truth.There are at least 3 reactors under threat.2 have definitely exploded with explosions heard in the third.

The USA sent out the CIA to cover it up,not specialists who could solve the problem.

No Belly.You didn't read it.The spent fuel rods were stored high in the reactors not inside the primary containment area.They can produce 24,000 times the radiation caused by the bomb dropped on Hiroshima.Tokyo is just 240 kms away with a pop of over 10 million.No wonder the people in the USA are worried.

I must have missed something, Arjay.

What is the conspiracy here? Are the CIA intending to release a cloud of radioactive contamination that will destroy China? Is the Japanese Government using the threat of nuclear destruction of the West Coast of America to extort better trade terms?

And where does the elite cabal of international banksters fit in? Are they using it as a smokescreen for their activities in the Middle East, where they are fomenting revolution in order to gain a firmer grip on the world's oil - which, if all goes well, will reach $200 a barrel before the end of the year?

You are being very secretive on this one, which is in itself quite worrying. Conspiracies - like 9/11 - should be conducted out in the open, where everybody can see.

Pericles;You too have failed to read the article.You know our own Govt constantly lies to us.eg Juliar on the carbon tax.These reactors were in the wrong place with not enough safe guards instigated.They were too low for Tsunamis and on an earthquake zone.Those spent fuel rods should have been in a more secure area.

Do yourself a favour and read it.It may be a bit challenging intellectually for you, but worth the effort.

I read the piece, Arjay, thanks for asking.

>>These reactors were in the wrong place with not enough safe guards instigated.They were too low for Tsunamis and on an earthquake zone.Those spent fuel rods should have been in a more secure area.<<

So far, so incompetent.

But where is the conspiracy, and what is its objective?

The closest you got to showing your hand was...

>>Hopefully this will be a wakeup call for the neo-cons in the USA who see limited nuclear weapons (mini nukes) as a means of subduing China and Russia.<<

What I couldn't work out was how badly-placed and poorly-managed nuclear facilities in Japan have an impact on this particular (subdue China and Russia) agenda.

And while you are explaining it to me, perhaps you could tell me who caused the earthquake and tsunami in the first place.

Of course, it was these guys.

http://www.ufo-blogger.com/2011/03/japan-earthquake-tsunami-haarp.html

Silly of me not to have noticed.

I don't think Arjay is referring to a conspiracy here Pericles, but just making the simple point that maybe we are not actually clever enough yet, to be messing with nuclear power.

Nuclear energy like others forms of energy is driven by profits, control and power.
Not necessarily by necessity, or by the lack of alternatives.

I too like Arjay, am happy to except nuclear power generation as long as I know it is clean as claimed, and safe.

There is possibly, at least a chance of a cover-up here by the nuclear industry don't you think Pericles with regard to the extent of contamination and their capacity to do anything about it.

If the truth be known, it's probably up to the gods, as to the eventual outcome in Japan at this point and for me this makes the point that Arjay is making, "that maybe, we are premature in using nuclear power, without having adequate scientific acumen in place first".

I was also prepared to give him the benefit of the doubt, thinker 2.

>>I don't think Arjay is referring to a conspiracy here Pericles, but just making the simple point that maybe we are not actually clever enough yet, to be messing with nuclear power.<<

Which is why, when I couldn't see one, I asked him the direct question, "What is the conspiracy here?".

To which I got the response "Pericles;You too have failed to read the article.You know our own Govt constantly lies to us.eg Juliar on the carbon tax." And we'd already had the bit about "corporate controlled Govts" and "the neo-cons", which are Arjay's favoured "here be dragons" conspiracy indicators. The presence of all these trigger-phrases indicates "conspiracy" in Arjay-speak.

But perhaps you are right. Perhaps it was just a warning.

Bit obscure though. Too much emphasis on lying governments, and not enough about being "clever enough" to handle nuclear power.

But let's face it, the French have been doing it for years.

And if we're i) not as clever as the French and ii) have a government that tells even more lies than theirs, then we aren't responsible enough to rub two sticks together.

Neither France, nor Australia, by the way, is particularly prone to earthquakes or tsunamis.

arjay I too read the article, and disagree with it ok?
A 14 meter high Tsunami ,following a record earth quake.
Not your every day event, not likely to be seen here.
Water, nothing Else, saw them built too close to the sea.
Think we can and will do much better.
Remember soon 500 plus working around the world, many more to come.
Luddites may first tell me what truly is the Short term alternative.

Pericles,Keith Snow made the point that the US sent CIA as a first repsonse ,instead of nuclear experts in remedying the crisis.Companies like General Electric were more concerned with cover up than clean up.That is the reality.You may see a conspiracy theory here on my behalf but this is a stated reality by Keith Snow.You seem to have a disconnect between the reality and the intended cover ups by Corporates and Govts.

The point is that corporates have too much control over our Govts and we cannot rely on them to build safe nuclear power plants since profit always over rides safety and long term sustainability.

Where do our Govts now get their money from? Since we sold off all the State banks and the Commonwealth they are financed by private corportations who have interests in Power plants ,oil,arms,drugs etc they virtually tell our Govts,when and how high they should jump.This is why our Govts are so incompetent and cannot make decisions in the interest of the people.

Two earthquakes within the past five days Pericles. A baby near Innisfail and another one in S.A. this afternoon - they are increasing during the La Nina system for some reason!

Weareunique,the magnetic poles have been shifting in the last 10yrs at a rate of 40 kms per yr instead of the usual 10 km per yr.Also it has been noted that mass coronial ejections from the sun have occurred just before these quakes.The moon is also at its closest orbit around the Earth for a long time.The Suns magnetic poles swap every 11 yrs.Next yr it will swap.The Earth is long overdue for a polar swap but this will take 1000 yrs.

With the polar shifts of the last 10 yrs our magnetic fields (Van Allen Belts)have weakenened by 10-15%.The energy goes somewhere and this could account for the extra quake activity.Our Van Allen Belts also reflect the Sun's radiation,so if they are weakened more,energy reaches us.This is another possible effect upon climate.

They lied to us about climate stats, the real causes of 911 and now the Nuclear accidents in Japan.They also lied to us about the real reason for attacking Libya.It is all about energy,just like Iraq.This instability causes a spike in the oil price,hence more profits.

Not really, Arjay.

>>Pericles,Keith Snow made the point that the US sent CIA as a first repsonse<<

The first response by the US was to send folk from USAID, which is "the government agency providing U.S. economic and humanitarian assistance worldwide for more than 40 years"

http://www.usaid.gov/

Keith Snow simply asserted that these folk were in fact "teams of intelligence agents and FEMA trained military grunts with special security clearances"

He may have made the connection because in the world of conspiracy-dudes, it is gospel that "USAID has maintained a close working relationship with the CIA, and Agency officers often operated abroad under USAID cover"

http://www.infowars.com/cia-sends-usaid-to-japan-to-manage-nuclear-disinfo-campaign/

Ergo, they must have sent the CIA. QED.

It is extremely poor form, by the way, for you NWO-nuts to interpret poor communications as conspiracy-to-mislead.

The extent of the devastation caused by the earthquake and the tsunami created a set of priorities amongst the political hierarchy that didn't extend to satisfying your personal morbid fascination for double-dealing. It was quite possible - even in hindsight - to accept that finding out the "true" situation at any given point of time was extraordinarily difficult, and heavily prone to error.

Thing is, when you start down that path, it leads you quickly into loony-tunes territory:

"...the 'Japan earthquake' and 'accidents' at the Fukushima’s 6 nuclear power plant units starting March 11, 2011 are in fact deliberate acts of tectonic nuclear warfare, carried out against the populations ecology of Japan and the nations of the Northern Hemisphere, including the U.S., Canada, and Mexico"

http://www.examiner.com/exopolitics-in-seattle/scientist-japan-earthquake-nuke-accident-are-tectonic-nuclear-warfare

You are in real danger of losing all perspective, Arjay. Either that, or you are getting too close to the truth for their comfort...

>>They lied to us about climate stats, the real causes of 911 and now the Nuclear accidents in Japan.They also lied to us about the real reason for attacking Libya.<<

Yes, of course they did.

They really are out to get you, you know.

Nowhere is safe.

Sorry Arjay, but when one of the worlds most vocal “greenies”, George Monbiot writes in The Guardian. “As a result of the disaster in Fukushima, I am no longer nuclear-neutral. I now support the technology”.

He goes on to say, “On every measure (climate change, mining impact, local pollution, industrial injury and death, even radioactive discharges) coal is 100 times worse than nuclear”.

As we speculated on earlier threads, as the pressure builds for the “warmertariat” to produce some answers, the higher profile members have stark choice. They can bail out now, have a bob each way, formulate an exit strategy or hang in with the prayer, “please god let me be right”.

So if our beloved “George of the warmertariat” has capitulated, where does that leave you?

Spindoc if you assimilated my comments you would have realised that I was not bagging the technology but rather the covering up of the incompetence driven by profit.The nuclear industry needs open surveillance to make sure safety measures are adhered to.

This is a sentiment I agree with Arjay.

Well the news coming out of Fukushima justs gets worse.Hate to say I told you so.Radiation in the environment and oceans up 1200 times that of normal.The Govt and Corps will continue to cover up their sins and make the common person pay the price of their corruption.

The Japanese worker will to save face and for family honour,will go into these reactors and die for no good reason while the elites cover up their crimes of greed and oportunistic profit.

Radiation level in water at reactor 2 tested 10 million times above normal today.

http://www3.nhk.or.jp/daily/english/27_12.html

Apparently that alarming report was inaccurate.

Tokyo Electric now says that the spike is mere 100,000 times normal level for reactor coolant - not 10 million times.

Oh well, that's all right then....

Poirot,We will not know for years the truth.Our media are down playing it.Alex Jones says 10 million times.Who knows.They say the reactor cores have not melted down.They are getting low radiation readings in the USA.

I do not see any attempts to bury the reactors in concrete like they did at Chernobyl.There is no news on the strategies being used to stop it other than cooling via water.

This radiation will disperse around the planet raising our background radiation levels to new highs for thousands of years.What will be the long term health results?

*What will be the long term health results?*

There you go Arjay, my long term prediction is on track. Humans
are smart enough to invent new and interesting things, not smart
enough to use them wisely. Eventually the planet will spin with
little but cockroaches and ants on board. Mammals will have been
a blimp in the planet's history. That evolving of a bit larger
brain in one of those species, was not sustainable after all.

Arjay,

My take on it is that they purposely released the 10 Million figure....it makes the correction of 100,000 times normal sound so much more positive.

If you don't mind me saying so, Yabby, I agree with your prognosis.

Now back to Fukushima...

and the latest is that water has been detected in an external tunnel connected to reactor 2. This water is in the range of 100,000 times normal reactor coolant radioactivity - so the same as the water detected inside the reactor.

This tunnel contains electrical cables and goes around 76 metres towards the ocean, although it does not go to the ocean. Nevertheless, there is a danger of seepage if more of this stuff gets out - and, surprise, surprise - officials have no idea how the puddle eventuated in the tunnel.

Of course, the word "puddle" is also open to interpretation - there was no mention just what constitutes a puddle in this situation.