And one simple volcano eruption omits more CO2 that the entire population does in two years, and that's in just two weeks.

I say we should work on carbon storage, not carbon reduction as this has the potential to cripple us financially.

Things like building houses with much more timber, perhaps storing carbon in building blocks, tiles and concrete.

I am not a scientist, but there must be a way. Who knows, it may even provide jobs.

Who said there will be a carbon tax, to put a price on carbon is not a tax. No one knows what the structure of the carbon pricing will be. It is yet to be worked out. So no one knows what you are on about. When policy has been sorted out, you will have something to talk about. Until then it is your imagination running riot.

Interesting reading all these posts, and finally coming on to oneundergod's last post concluding that as interesting diverging views may be, it is probable that every contributor is motivated by desire of achieving a better management of this country, though hitherto achieved by our two party system and remarkable by western values.

It’s the system as now evolved that is of concern.

When lies are justified or not even seen for what they are, when influence of wealth prevails, when materialism dominates etc. and we justify it according to the colour of our ties, consciously or unconsciously, we are on a slippery slope.

When "opponents" like pelican and rehctub see that they are opponents with similar objectives, perhaps the focus will return to demanding honesty and deliverance of promises are rigorously subjected to transparency, exposure and severe punishment of all failing to behave honourably as the Honourable Member for each and every electorate, as representatives of the people, not their particular party.

Philo sets me the task of having to look deeper into his claimed details (at least one of which I know to be incorrect) but most of which challenge me to ensure, as one dedicated to the scientific method must, that I have not been misinformed or uninformed in important aspects of the same issue as he argues.

In the meantime, why not look to the benefits of renewable energy and reduction of our demands upon mother earth in every possible area, instead of wasting our own energy arguing pro's and cons in a dividing partisan or self gratifying manner?

A true social democracy embracing all it's people as human beings entitled to equality under the law, education, health, nutrition, shelter, security and compassion for those falling victim to it, is possible in an enlightened society such as Australia, lagging behind others sufficiently to give time to avoid the pitfalls which have or are engulfing them.

May intellect prevail over misplaced loyalty and allegiances. Perhaps for it to do so, it needs to move cohesively against ignorance and sensationalistic journalism as now prevails.

Teddy bear. Absolutely correct. There has got to be an element of truth, not verbal make believe. It is a debate with no substance at all
Premature and dishonest.

The Earth's poison problems lie much more in sulfur dioxides, acids and salts than with Co2.

a597,

Any levy, impost, etc where revenue goes to state coffers is a tax by the very definition of the word irrespective of where it is spent.

Whine Swan's ridiculous claim that it is not a tax because it is spent on households is ridiculous. This means that GST, income tax etc are not "really taxes"

As for the claim that only the big polluters are paying, that really is absurd considering that the biggest polluters are the electricity generators who simply pass their costs on to households, businesses etc.