Pelican no doubt you are well aware your thoughts and ideas will not penetrate here.
I have learned that lesson.
In the strangest way I have to say it keeps me from posting as much as I usually do in some threads.
A form of self Censor ship?
If she lied, if she knew a hung Parliament was coming.
IF and if again, nothing will change.
Yesterday Abbott told his team not to be side tracked by individuals opinions on climate change.
He warned them to concentrate on Labor,hold their personal opinions back.
Who then is the most dishonest?
Both are the wrong people for the jobs they hold,but ABBOTT IS A DANGER TO US ALL.
Will not return to this thread true debate is not the intention here, that is sad we exist to swap ideas but not in some threads

In the real world with 3 years between elections, circumstances change, and that promises that were made during an election campaign might well a few years later turn out not to be feasible.

The question is whether the promise was pivotal in the campaign, and how much circumstances have changed.

For example, a promise to hire 1000 more police officers, but only hiring 500 when the job market tightens is technically a broken promise, but an effort was made, but other circumstances intervened.

This is what Howard meant by core and non core promises. It simply reflects reality.

Julia Gillard made a solemn promise to the Australian people, and a couple of weeks later indicated that she intended to break it where the only circumstances that changed were political convenience, and implement a tax that would both have a serious impact on everyone's cost of living, with almost no benefit to the climate.

Without a moment's thought she broke a core promise that got her elected and perpetrated one of the most audacious acts of treachery on the people of Australia.

Pelican >>Howard did not take it to the election

Tell me you're kidding!

In any case I doubt she will get this one through, unless of cause our independents are not 'true independence', as I suspect.

I call on anyone to simply do the math of 'benefits V costs' and make your own judgement.

Benefits, possible 5% reduction of OUR EMISSIONS only, resulting in a possible one 20Th of 1 percent of the worlds emissions.

Costs, possible job losses through under investment in the mining sector and the potential to cripple many among us who are already on the brink of financial ruin.

This impost will be charged to the consumer in one form or another. To think otherwise is naive.

Now back to the tax.

Why rush it, two years is going to have very little if any effect on emissions so, would it not be wiser for her to take this to the next election, just as JH took the GST, another 'broken promise' to the election.

I say, if anyone in public office has to break a promise, and let's face it, it does happen, then let the people decide, not the government, as in this case the government did lie to the people about the tax.

Bring on the next election.

No not kidding rehctub.

The question we all need to ask is do we just accept lying is part of politics or do we continue to call politicians to account?

The political landscape in Australia is not going to make any headway if we only see the bad in the opposing team but fail to bring to account those in 'our' own team (for lack of a better word).

I suspect Julia may have meant the 'promise' at the time but with a hung parliament felt strongarmed by the Greens. No excuse though, she should stand up to the Greens and Independents on those issues where there is a pre-existing election guarantee. Otherwise some of the benefits of a more consultative government will be lost.

It is infinitely better though than when Mr Howard won control of the Parliament in both houses and we got no scrutiny whatsoever and were at the mercy of the business unions and the result was WorkChoices.

I see what you mean Belly, head in the sand syndrome.

Yes pelican, and our world (Australia) was a much better place back then.

Small, medium and large business has little confidence any more.

Now medium and small business feeds off big business, but when big business pulls its head in, due to confusion and uncertainty, things go pear shaped.

Your lot are doing a damned fine job of stalling things here with the uncertainty they are creating out there, aren't they.

Let's just hope there is somethig left to salvage after they are finnished playing with our futures.

who can claim to be suprised when govt lies
when media spin asks us the question is julia too far left
or is john howard a coward...to get him to..bomb bomb iraq or get into the alphghanes

yesterday we heard the black swan using media numbers in his spin
[to wit 7000 green jobs] had he read the full brief he would KNOW it is based on a CARBON PRICE OF $46 bucks

as two faced tony has been quoting MUCH LOWER NUMBERS
se the spin...see the tail isnt waging the dog..[the greens have belled the cat]

they arnt BEHIND
they lead...[like a bull]..
labour has a ring through its nose
or the GREENS are the nose..[where the nose goes the labdog follows]

who knows what else is on the nose?
Davis Arrest Throws US Undercover
Campaign in Pakistan into Disarray


As I reported earlier, both Pakistani and Indian news organizations are claiming, based upon intelligence sources, that Davis was involved in not just intelligence work,

*but in orchestrating terrorist activity by both the Pakistani Taliban and the terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Jhangvi, which has been linked to both the assassination of Benezir Bhutto and the capture and beheading of Wall Street Journal reporter Daniel Pearl.

Multiple calls to members of both groups were found by police on some of the cell phones found on Davis and in his car when he was arrested in Lahore.
http://www.thiscantbehappening.net/node/487
Webmaster's Commentary:
No wonder the CIA is desperate to get this guy back!

Timeline Of Insider Trading Case Against Former Goldman Sachs Director - BLATANT FRAUD
By: Pitchfork

Wait until you read these details
http://dailybail.com/home/rajat-gupta-timeline-of-insider-trading-case-against-former.html

http://whatreallyhappened.com/
http://www.presstv.ir/detail/167865.html
http://dailybail.com/home/us-owes-30-more-to-china-than-previously-thought.html
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2011/02/constitution-version-20.html
http://www.habledash.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1097:consumer-reports-knocks-government-motors-chevy-volt-in-review&catid=47:latest-news&Itemid=65

http://www.fff.org/blog/jghblog2011-03-01.asp

http://snardfarker.ning.com/profiles/blogs/ohio-senate-bill-5-designed-to

but its all too hard right
you cant change nothing
thats why govt works..[for them]

not you