Juila is not a lier:

The statement 'There will be no carbon tax under a government I lead.' is perfectly true...

... which only leads us to speculate who is really leads this government!?

THE SKY IS FALLING!

think who released the topic
without revealing the numbers

julia thinks its so clever to keep the numbers secret
so we can name call numeric ignorance

then later say
we told you the numbers last time
ie john howards plan...using the same numbers
using the same plan

the same howard numbers keven julia..now tony grasp's with
he didnt make them numbers up

the global warming/cooling thing
ok lets believe it is true...and it really is changing
its being changed by greenhouse gasses..

*ALL OF EM
NOT JUST THE EASY ONE TO TAX

mining coal releases methane
but tony loves the miners..so wont score that point

farming creates nitrous oxide
so tony wont be playing that card neither

home composting generates ...*more methane that cattle
so the greenies wont be seeking a tax on that methane neither

how is this a debate?
be honest now....HOW?

there is only one villan here..
its all blamed on carbon..the scape goat that we all can get taxed on
[but some will make a proffit...

[guess who..it wont be you

yet we have carbon dioxide in our dayly bread
we have it in the sugery drinks rotting out our kids teeth
even our grog wine booze ferments..co2

but we will only vilify and tax
part of the REAL problem

cant you jokers see the joke

will we get jobs taxing volcanoes
or shutting down the sun

where is the spain JOBS
now the jobs done?

we are being conned
why cany you wake up?

there shall only be ..some causual jobs
putting up the windmill or solar cells
built in china or germany..

then they fail
[they only have a 20 year life]

and we begin all over again..
but made more polution because of lies
we have lies upon lies..only fools think it will work out 'fine'

so the great lies fail
the colluded..green evolution[experiment]..
that cost us the world...FAILS

then we all die
just because we believed

*the sky was falling

its about ...jobs for the boys
trading carbon-credits

greed is god

Well yes Julia did lie. I wonder if the PM meant it at the time - I expect she did but now with a sharing of power the situation has changed.

IMO Julia should have kept her word, regardless of the Greens position. If anything the Greens should be about better government, transparency and accountability. That is also part of the Greens platform, which is why they gained support as well as for issues of the environment and humanitarianism.

While I support the Greens, I do not support a Carbon Tax for various reasons.

But how is this PM any different from John Howard's 'never ever' GST. It seems we cannot trust our politicians from any side of politics.

I bet Tony Abbott will not remove the tax if he is elected next time - and he will also find some semantic gobblygook to justify it. That is the shame of modern politics and we let them get away with it.

Pelican,

The bottom line is that there is no difference between Julia's change of heart and John Howard's.

No doubt Shadow Minister will be quick to point out that Howard took his about face to an election.

However, "Never, ever GST" is fairly transparent in its meaning - the principle here is still the same.

Two pollies went back on their word. (surprise, surprise)

I think any politician that says never is being foolish.
To say so means you know the future.

From next July will it be possible under the constitution for the Prime
Minister to be a Senator ?
It seems that Prime Minister Brown is already running the country even
before his trip to Yarralumla.

Sometimes lefties make me sick. This constant bring up of Howard's no GST is an example.

Normally used to justify some Labor broken promise, the comparison is a lie in it self.

Howard was responding to a question, on the run, after a loss. In effect what he was saying is, "we know we need a GST, [just as Keating knew], but none of us will ever have the courage to try to implement one again. If you don't recognise this is a fact you Lie even to yourself.

Incredibly, Howard somehow found the courage to try again, & imposed that courage on a most frightened, & reluctant party, & won an election. Get over it The man has guts. He was also stupid enough to think he could do it again with working conditions, & lost.

It would be an idea if you lefties said thanks some time. Without his foresight, there would now be no public hospitals. It cost the companies I was running quite a lot of money to implement, but I could see it was needed to support the states.

It was typical of Labor thinking that Ruddy tried to get control of the states GST into commonwealth hands. They can't stand not controlling everything.

Belly, & others, please stop trying to justify some rotten thing, done by Labor PMs & others, by suggesting the other lot would do the same thing, & the right would approve. I have never heard a righty who is so biased as you lefties. They disaprove of their lot, when they think they are wrong, which is quite often I have found, just like Labor did when it still meant something.

The amazing thing is that the modern Labor hierarchy despise you useful idiots much more than the Libs do, & you don't even see it. If I weren't such a hard hearted bast4rd, I'd probably pity you.