spindoctor
Without being snide, snarky or snotty ... do you think the 'conservatives' will take money away from Earth System monitoring? Do you think they should?

Philo
Plagiarising Mr Evangelista will get you where, exactly?

http://www.wnho.net/letter_concerning_carbon_tax_and_global_warming.htm

To use the conservative term, it's *crap*, spread by a former food and drug investigator (aka wannabe climate scientist).

Almost forgot, RawMustard: I don't expect you to understand the science, but this paper puts the Grand Solar Minimum into perspective:

http://rspa.royalsocietypublishing.org/content/early/2009/11/27/rspa.2009.0519.full.pdf

You'll see your Dutch professor referenced.

Budding 'climate scientists' should try to be sceptical, that's what real scientists do. Real scientists don't let their ideological, religious or social affiliation sway their conclusions - unlike that shown by postnormal OLO internet pseudoscientists.

bonmot,
The reason the wheels have fallen off the AGW wagon is the alarmists own doing.

Alarmist propaganda with grossly exagerated claims and the disclosure that the 'scientists' were fiddling the figures.

I am sure the world will continue to warm and cool on its own accord as it always has done.

We have no influence over earthquakes, volcanos, continental drift or even the tides. Anyone who believes, without evidence, that we can alter the world climate has been suckered.

Those that still believe are flogging a religion, nothing else.

Banjo
I agree with you about "Alarmist propaganda with grossly exagerated claims". The world will not end in 2100.

However, even non-exagerated claims are bad enough. Yes, the "world will continue to warm and cool on its own accord as it always has done" (natural variation).

However, because we can measure the amount of energy in and out of the Earth System, we can account for unnatural variation.

Natural variation alone cannot explain the trends since we have been releasing vast amounts of energy into our oceans and atmosphere.

Sure, we have no influence over earthquakes, volcanoes, continental drift or even the tides. However, we do have influence over the amount of heat-trapping gases we release into the atmosphere.

There are other ways to provide our energy needs. This is a much more valid debate to have, btw.

If you believe 'scientists' were fiddling the figures then perhaps you have been suckered. Science is not a religion, despite the claims to the contrary.

How long will it take for MSM to bring us this juicy news?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2011/feb/21/republicans-funding-climate-ipcc

My guess? The Andrew Bolts, James Delingpoles, Anthony Watts et al won't be too far behind.

interesting stuff [between the lines] in lasts nights qanda and the four corners expo on the gas scam

to try to join the dots for you
tim flannelry stated the floods due to global warming..to wit the half wit said co2...[interstingly he was sitting next to anna blight the last alp pres..as he said it]

it was reminisant of a dummy activating its master
but back to the expose

recall earlier there was the gas scam in qld
recall there was gas bubbles bubbling from arround one of the proposed 40,000 leakey gas wells granted to santos et'al

well recall where they had this meter..reading one of the many leaks?
wel;l i do..the voice said methane was being detected...in the higher scale of the meter

now the thing is methane..[freely being leeched by man made gas pumps]is a greenhouse gas..in fact its 100 times WORSE than co2

ya with me?

methane is over 100 times WORSE than co2
and here we got tons of the stuff ..floating up into the sky
AND CAUSING THAT WARMING ..TIM WAS TALKING ABOUT
what caused ...CAUSED the bad floods and cyclone

are you seeing the big picture?

it was manmade allright
by greedy gas stealers drilling LEAKY wells
heating up the oceons..and making BAD cyclones and bad floods

thing is the flood neednt have happend
we built a dam to prevent that sort of stuff
but the dam makes cash for anna and her cartel of mates..[cadre"]

the flood was made worse by releasing the water they hoped to sell for more intrest payments on the 65 billion debt

expose continues