Too much attention has been directed at the faults of NSW Labor.
I sent Barry O'Farrell an email on 26 January 2011 asking "If elected will you privatise the electricity industry either fully or partially."
I received an email response on 7 February 2011 that stated "the NSW Liberals and Nationals are committed to releasing a detailed policy on electricity before the March 2011 State Election."
A direct question requires a direct response. Is this what we may come to expect from the Libs

I would suggest you have received an appropriate response.

I would also suggest you will receive a further 'personal response' once policy has been made public.

After updating my PC security had a look and found todays OLO newsletter.
And this thread.
As an activist in the NSW ALP,from the group that murdered us, center unity, I think you are wrong.
Barry has not won the election, in truth he would not win a raffle.
However the ALP my party,if voters amounted to cash,could not raise enough to buy a ticket.
Power is now so bad, part sold part not, I think it can not/will not be saved.
Who ever wins[ what a silly thing to say,] Barry will betray us and sell, no other way around it profitable parts are [thanks to LABOR ] in private hands,would you have us keep the debt making bits?
To return to our proud tradition we must take our medicine, Obed and his mate, should be your target,along with their puppet our leader they killed us.
Next month we rebuild, Barry will,after his honey moon be our best helper.

Does anyone really think that a NSW Liberal Government would not privatise energy either fully or partially? While the Labor Government made a botch of it completely I suspect the Liberals are not going to be campaigning on a "Save NSW Power" platform. I hope I am wrong.

O'Farrell is calling for an investigation into the ALP sell-off and claim they will allow directors and public servants to speak on the issue with the protection of an inquiry. However that is not the same as a commitment to keep NSW power as a public entity.

For years NSW power has been too cheap compared to phone. If the power suppliers prices had been 10% higher for the last 20 years to replace failing infrastructure and employ the staff they put off we would have been better off as a Public entity. Now we have to raise huge funds to improve aged equipment and that can only be raised now extravagant by higher prices.

My preference over the years has been for the power generation and
distribution to remain in public hands.

In its present state the need for more generators in a few years will
mean, either directly (public) or indirectly (private) ownership the
public will pay.

The problem seems to me to be that the politicians do not want the
blame for the high taxes or charges that will be needed to rebuild an
updated network and generation facilities.
If it is in private hands they can stand back and say "look at those
terrible capitalists".

Bazz I too share your wishes but in vain.
Labors rank and file voted against any sell off at state conference a few years ago.
I started a thread on arriving home, about the betrayal.
From that time my party,in the hands of grubs, recently and on going sold us all out.
Nevile Wran could have gotten 25 billion dollars for it.
I put a couple of words in my last post that changed what I wanted to say, Labor would betray me,Barry has no real alternative, he just has to sell, the lot.
Now prices.
My bill in 2002 was $54 a quarter, same amount of use except.
I run battery back up solar for lighting, radios, including broadcast, and any thing needed in a black out.
each bill in the last 3 has charged me more for less.
Last time I cut use by more than the 9% each of the previous two , got 16% cut, bill went up this time past $450.
I put six grand aside to put solar on, but current return is, I believe, less than I am charged per unite, however some get three times that?
I get no joy in knowing just what I am doing, but reality drives me, throw me out of the party but rewarding this mob is some thing I will not do.
And Barry [who will be well liked for about a year] has driven me to protest by voting green, yep no option.

Considering that the details of the power sell off contracts have not been made public, there is likely to be a huge can of worms in the power generation and distribution organisation.

To expect a detailed policy given the NSW obfuscation of details is like asking someone to commit to buy a house from a glossy pamphlet only.

My personal opinion is that government has no place in managing an industrial business like power generation. This is the prime reason why after 16 years of Labor there is such a mess.

In reply to Shadow Minister's post, the Government more than ever needs to retain the ownership of public assets such as energy generation to stop the unbridled greed of capitalism.
Let's keep public assets in public ownership irrespective of who's in government.

Taurus,

I know you are stating your opinion, but Why?

The sale of generation in Victoria took stations that were losing money, sold them for billions to private enterprise who increased their efficiency and output by more than 10% and sold power back onto the grid for less than the state owned enterprises could.

It was a win win for both the state government and the consumers.

Totally disagree Shadow Minister.We should not be selling off public assets to pay for debt.These are profit making public assets that keep our taxes low.Stop all sell offs now.

Please sit down Shadow Minister.
I actually agree in this case.
And even with the unknown state of play re NSW power.
I bet it is a mess.
And the sale is in part over it can not work half and half.
The intent, selling,even for nifty Nev was to have funds for other things, but it over looked power is some thing we can not live without.
And some must now, pensioners are not using heating.
From within the public out door work force it is not known out side but it is impossible to do your job.
Al most like deliberate sabotage from above , silly stuff RTA contractors must not use existing steel posts to hang road signs, but use and charge the RTA for new ones.
The idea of public utility's getting the work but contracting out managers works but will it happen.
Face this reality nothing can save Labor,and the last conservative leader in NSW gave better workers comp to injured than any ALP one that followed him.

I was expelled from a Party in NSW because I opposed the leader who voted in support of Labor in the sale of Power. I am now with Family First and Dr Gordon Moyes because we believe essential public assets should be managed by the State. This is in the best interest of Families.

Our money zooms out the back door to overseas companies...

You have all probably heard of the smart grid.
Well this is the system where smart meters are fitted to your house
and the connected to the NBN.
Well originally it was to be connected using Broadband Power Line but
that was a dismal failure so along comes the NBN to the rescue.

The way it will work is that off peak power time will disappear and be
replaced by variable rates. At times when demand is high, like late
afternoon when ovens and stoves and TVs come on, the rates will go up.
To encourage you to turn off your air conditioner they will turn up
the rate.
Ultimately, if it is so hot you refuse to turn off the air conditioner
they will turn it off for you.
Hmmm why do you think the planning is on for all appliances to have
an IP address ?
Thought you would charge your electric car at cheap rates, Ha !
There are no longer any off peak times.
Used up your CO2 allowance ? Turn off everything except a few lights.
Well, who thought big brother was dead ?

Oh what the heck, most of our trade is stuffed [since 1998], many old solid Australian companies sold out to international companies ten years ago, what are a few more State energy sales to hidden o/s companies going to hurt?

I fought that battle Philo, did it openly but as a then working trade union official did nothing that could have cost me my job.
My members came first.
Moyles is not a bad bloke.
But never ever should be in politics, no place for any creed.
I KNOW public ownership is best BUT not as it is.
We one day will CONFRONT the truth, management is done by third grade rejects from real jobs.
I gave my all in EVERY JOB, look at this simple fact if you ran a utility,any of them,would you sack those dragging it down? not performing?
I WOULD, outdoor workers are not the problem, some indeed are,but those in the office bent over games on the computer or plans for a mates home are.
Holding on to the past, the idea its about jobs not constant improvement change and better out comes is wrong.
If we oppose change we age faster than our actual years change is a driver of improvement.
Cop it Barry is in, he will sell, he must,he may just do a good job,for a while, any thing is better than this.
I will continue even if chucked out, stay ALP requesting change and improvement.
From the embers of a once proud fire that will rise again.

Smart meters are going in all around the world. Some people need this sort of regulation because they can't help them self. So we all get smart meters. Mine went in in 2008. With solar power it has been the greatest asset yet. These things have to be to force change. People won't change for no reason. As the world gets more populated and co2 in the are is out of control, change has to be forced. So help yourself, instead on whining like a worn out diff; do something to ride the waves and you will stay in front of the game.

Coming into the State election neither Labor or Liberal have a creditable energy policy, actually they don't have any creditable policies at all. Keneally's policy is "Let me buy your vote", O'Farrell's policy is "I'll tell you all about it after the election". The only party with a decent energy policy is The Greens.

Belly wisely says:

"Barry has not won the election ..."

I question whether he even wants to.

It seems the bulk of politicians, irrespective of party, these days, want CAREERS, rather than to represent and implement the wishes of the public. On the question of selling off electricity generation and distribution, around 80% of the public have held the view that this should not happen. Of its politicians, the public has wanted OBEDIENCE in this matter, not self-justification. So far it hasn't got it.

Implementing the wishes of that clear majority that does not want power sold off is not seen, even by opposition politicians, as being good for a political career. Hence the reluctance to commit on the issue.

It would be very good, and only justice, if the ALP was absolutely decimated at the upcoming elections in terms of seats won. It would be very good to see many of the all-too-numerous politically incestuous situations whereby one partner is an MP or even a Minister, and the other is high up in the bureaucracy, broken up. But don't count on it happening to the point that they will lose government!

Very quietly, last April, NSW legislated to introduce 'automatic electoral enrolment'. The upshot of that is that from 350,000 to 400,000 extra names may be automatically emplaced on rolls by the NSWEC, and have votes claimed in them, right up to just before 6:00 PM on polling day. Changes of address notified on things like drivers' licences will be the bases for this enrolling of persons qualified to be electors in districts where it would seem that they may now be living.

Only this last week I watched a TV documentary on the police force. Two constables had found a suspect for a traffic offence in possession of multiple fake photoID drivers' licences all in different names, but all showing his photo. No doubt each of those aliases had an address, and will appear on an electoral roll somewhere (probably marginal) now.

News reports are already making the 'surprise' result believable. http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/state-election-2011/young-voters-are-swimming-against-the-tide-20110216-1awmx.html

579,
The energy expended to produce solar products including batteries also uses CO2. We had total solar at the farm but it required a deisel generator to top up batteries one day in every four and the 32v bank of batteries had to be replaced every 8 years at a cost of about $8,000.

Belly,
Thanks for the response; however I cannot support a party whose dogma and creed on social agenda so opposes my family values. Dr Moyes can both uphold green values and social values as he done in Parliament on many occasions like opposing the Snowy water sale and mining affecting agricultural production in NSW west and the Hunter. In my view the Greens would create unemployment thus affecting families income and destroy the cohesive family.

The way a government owned entity continually makes a profit is by raising prices and passing them on to the consumer. If you believe NSW consumers are not paying a premium for their power, you are sadly mistaken.

The comment made about the automatic enrollment of those not on the
rolls has raised an alarm in me.
When someone is enrolled this way are they notified ?
If not "someone" could give the list to their party and have a number
of party members go around in their name to hundreds of polls.
In marginal seats it could really tip the balance.

"The way a government owned entity continually makes a profit is by raising prices and passing them on to the consumer".

I never realised that the banks, supermarkets oil companies etc were owned by the government.

It is known,and I have lost Friends for it, I do not trust the greens.
But as they use my party, on the back of less than one 5th of the vote, I must use them.
Yes I was brave, said I would not, but I must.
I am forced to vote for them, without preferencing any one.
Yep said I would not but it is well thought out not spite.
My party needs its flogging, fear not Bazz it is gone.
Power now looks like a bucket,or what is left of one,no bottom no handle, one side full of holes the other rust.
Sell it.
Barry could take even the next election,yes in 4 years! if he runs the state,stops targeting federal Labor as he is, stops trying to look tough in a ring he need not enter.
If he learns this lesson now,he may, if not within 6 months the ALP in any case will have taken out the trash, lot of loads there,and be rebuilding.

Belly, good to see you are voting for the Greens. The biggest load of trash left is that MLC, and he's there till 2015, still pulling the strings. Della Bosca and Tripodi have retired to the sidelines but their influence will still be around regardless of who's the front man or as we have now woman, along with the faceless ones.
Did you see the coverage our candidate Mehreen Faruqi got on the Channel 10 news the other night, for all the right reasons, under the heading 'Premier could lose her seat'! The truth is Mehreen is the only candidate in Heffron on the ground door knocking, letter boxing running stalls, meeting and listening to voters, Keneally(ALP) and Pandelos (Lib) are no where to be seen, missing in action. if effort counted for anything The Greens would win Heffron by a country mile as we will Marrickville and Balmain.

There is only one solution......Nuclear power, and what chance that after the sale of the total assett.

Barry and his party are as alienated from their rank and file as the NSW Labor right is to theirs, we will see if he brings sound government or blame any inability to deliver on the fact that he was left a basket case of a state.

Somebody mentioned Della and Tripodi skulking off to the wings, won't change a thing; the whole of Sussex Street has to go. We see the "rights" candidates but they are just the candidate, the whole right corium has to go, the ones who never leave the backroom.

I believe it warrants a DLP style split or expulsion scenario to cleanse NSW Labor of the self serving criminals of Labors right and their associates and families who have lived high off the taxpayers dollar, nepotism and gain because of association is rife.

Sonofgloin nothing deserves a DLP split,ever.
This election result will fix it.
I agree on Nuclear power,it will need to be a federal choice, some are vocal in backing it, and must win.
I have a thread if it gets a start it will focus on future directions of the ALP.
Based on the report handed down today,union involvement in the party, recruitment,and heedless leadership,such as Gillards insults to what went on at AWU National conference.
Split? greens in away are, most recognize half their vote are lost ALP ones.
As past attempts seem to prove no new party has lasted as long as the greens Democrats degenerated in to a lost tribe totally alien to its reason for existing.
But just maybe one day, if Labor continues to run not walk away from its roots a union/workers based off shoot could get seats in both houses and force a turn to our values.
The simple,instant coffee answer is send Julia back to her law roots and 4 followers too.

Belly:>>Sonofgloin nothing deserves a DLP split,ever.<<

I will never mention it again, there it is gone.

haha...... ANY government which is strapped for cash.. is overburdened with DEBT from previous governments.. or.. wants to ingratiate itself with voters in marginal seats.. willll

DO WHAT IT HAS TO DO.. to keep power.. buy people.. sell people... yada yada.

Let's not forget... the REAL goal of politics is not about 'we the people'..it's about keeping power FOR a small group of political supporters who run BIG businesses, and for the entourage of 'inner circle' who benefit financially from the process..

-same for both sides.

The Words of Jesus are appropriate here. "Pay to Caesar what is Caesars"...(but not a cent more)

John the Baptist might chime in from the grave also:

"You brood of VIPERS"

Jesus might also have some colorful words for those who milk the system for their luxury apartments, cars and hookers.

15 “Woe to you, lawyers and and (secular) Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert (Voter), and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are. Mat 23

ALGOREisRICH.
Be aware of what "yada yada" means. It is the Hebrew word meaning to have sex.

http://www.boundless.org/2005/articles/a0002394.cfm

For those of you who advocate the use of nuclear power, I have one word CHERNOBYL. The true is it would take billions of dollars in investment for Australia to have a small nuclear power station. The rest of the World knows that nuclear power will ever only produce about 15% of the Worlds total energy requirements. We have no shortage of energy the Sun provides much more than we require. A couple of points to consider about nuclear:
1 What is the solution for the disposal of radioactive waste.
2.The production of U-238 leads to U-235 and nuclear weapons proliferation. Rouge states like America have nuclear weapons and have used them. Are we to join this band of rouge states?
There are many other points that could be made on this subject, these 2 will do for now.
The answer is SUSTAINABILITY or are we looking for the easy road which is not there.

Paul,

For all you that advocate flying I have only one word for you HINDENBERG.

Unless of course you have a brain and realise that modern 747s can't be compared with pre WW2 aircraft, neither can modern reactors be compared with 1950s Chernobyl. Besides the Bhopal gas leak in India killed more people than Chernobyl.

As for waste, there are new techniques for reprocessing, and new reactor types that can consume the waste, which you would know about if you could read. (PS rouge is a colour - dusty red)

SM thanks for the spelling lesson The United Rogue States of America
"Besides the Bhopal gas leak in India killed more people than Chernobyl". Is this some kind of justification for the risks involved with nuclear power generation. If you fill a 747 with hydrogen gas I don't want to ride in it. What do you think of solar, wind, tidal, wave power generation, unlike nuclear power these are renewable forms of energy production and produce more power per dollar of investment than does nuclear, plus there is no toxic waste.
Fast neutron reactors to process waste into stuff like plutonium, that is a great idea, we could give it to the rogue state so they could expand their nuclear arsenal to protect their strategic and economic interests throughout the World.

Paul1405;
You are like so many, you just don't know about Chernobyl.
The problem was pointed out to the Russians before they built that
design at a conference in Vienna in 1956 but they poo hooed that advice.

That failure cannot happen again.
Anyway more people die mining coal but you still use electricity.
You are not a hypocrite are you ?

I support Nuclear power totally.
I understand todays power stations, all over the world are safe.
Much safer than the Russian thing or five mile Island.
I know too if we go Nuclear we do more by that single action for climate change gases than EVERY OTHER thing we say we will do.
Give ALP gutlessness on that subject we must find the back bone to act, and to put our first Nuclear power plant on the construct now list.
If we fail conservatives will do it.

Paul,

Nuclear power is cheaper per kilowatt generated than either solar or wind. Also it is far safer. There are far fewer deaths per gigawatt generated for nuclear than any other power source.

That failure cannot happen again.
Anyway more people die mining coal but you still use electricity.
You are not a hypocrite are you?

Bazz people die from alcohol as well but I drink in moderation. Its not hypocritical to say there is a better way. It really fills me with confidence when you say "That failure cannot happen again" is that to say a NP station can never blow up again or Chernobyl can never blow up again, which one is it, if its a NP station then I don't believe you. I don't understand the logic, more people die from snake bite than spider bite so its better to get bitten by a spider than a snake.

Shadow Minister, you must be a Liberal voter, the people who reduce everything down to dollars and cents.

"There are far fewer deaths per gigawatt generated for nuclear than any other power source".

I don't understand this, is it people putting their pinky in the toaster, or fairy lights on the Chrissy tree?

How does coal fired power rate on your death scale, say in a place like China?

What you fail to point out is coal, peat, gas and oil fired power results in 98.5% of all deaths relating to power generation and all the others, including nuclear, put together equal 1.5%.

Paul,

Your point is?

I was comparing non GHG emitting technologies as were you. China's record is abysmal. In the western world coal, solar, wind have roughly the same danger level in the generation, whilst nuclear is a fraction of these.

Of these only nuclear can provide base load, or consistent power at peak demand at roughly 7pm.

To replace fossil fuel energy production, nuclear energy production will have to start in Australia now and increase by more than 10% each year for the next 40 years to meet increases in demand and replace fossil fuels by 2050. This is not sustainable. Australia has no need to go nuclear when sustainable alternatives are available to us now. Australia is in an ideal position to be a World leader in sustainable energy production.
SM where do you see Australia's first nuclear power station being built?

I would propose that the nuclear power stations are built on the sites of existing brown coal sites such as Hazelwood. The infrastructure is aleady present, and the area is far from pristine.

As far as energy generation is concerned, there is no realistic renewable alternative to fossil fuels. At best they can replace a fraction of the demand before they run into the base load requirement problem.

PS you must be green to be so divorced from reality. To make the statements you have I would guess you have no experience in power generation.

What no one takes into account is that global peak coal will happen
before 2025.
For many years it was thought there were hundreds of years of coal
still available. However recent surveys have discovered that these
figures which were up to 50 years or more old were just wrong.

There is one study by a Texas University group that has
produced a paper that states peak coal (might be US peak) will occur
in 2011.
The problem is quality not quantity as they say.
All the easy coal has been dug out and the world is now into deeper
and smaller more expensive seams.
The better quality coal was the first to be mined as expected.
The question for Australia is should be hold off on export until we
have an idea whether an alternative to coal will be available in time.
This is the same question as for natural gas.

We can sell coal and use the money to build nuclear power stations.
How long will that take ? What rate should we export coal so that
our coal becomes too expensive just as we get nukes up and running ?

These are the questions I would hope our government would be studying
now. Unfortunately I don't think they would even understand the
question let alone think of the question.

"you must be green to be so divorced from reality. To make the statements you have I would guess you have no experience in power generation".
SM and what makes you an expert on power generation. I see from your posts on this forum you appear to be an expert on many subjects power just being one of them. When one is anonymous one can be an expert on any subject. Yes I am a member of The Greens and I make no secret of that as my post clearly indicate, I am no expert on power generation but I have my views on the subject. You must be a member or supporter of the Conservative Party (Liberal), those given the divine right to rule., experts on everything, unfortunately their record doesn't stand up, nuclear power is no exception.

I am a supporter of the liberal party in the absence of any viable alternative.

I am also an electrical engineer who has worked in power generation and distribution in senior level for more than a decade, and you will see that I have never claimed anything else.

The greens believe in renewable power like a religion, blissfully believing if they just do enough of it it will be all right. Here is a little problem you can consider. The peak power consumption is at about 7-8pm. What renewable power generation will supply our needs, given that there is a significant number of evenings where wind generation nationally would be low and solar is obviously not at peak?

P.S. Please try not to quote unproven and costly technologies such as geothermal and hot salt storage.

Its been interesting to sit back and watch the verbal jousting between Shadow Minister, Paul 1405 and others since I first posted "O'Farrell on Energy" a few days ago. The last post by Shadow Minister demonstrates his refusal to acknowledge other alternatives to power generation and his rudeness to others who challenge his opinions. If these are the hallmarks of the Liberal Party as often so aptly demonstarted by Tony Abbott, they will not get my vote on election day. To return to the question I asked (by email) Barry O'Farrell on 26 January 2011, "If elected will you privatise the electricity industry either partially or fully."
Now Shadow Minister, please resist answering this post for the Leader of YOUR Party.

Taurus you will make no ground with SM, I note my words must have cut you deeply, because of content you never mentioned the one eyed views the bloke puts on me.
I see a little of that in you, and a little of the younger me.
Make NO mistake,I too about this far in to a campaign would be as active and hopeful as you.
I will be again.
And standing in rain or hail 6 till 6 with HTV.
Being told by some Earnest young lady five years away from running for her seat, you must not say good day mate to every one.
I dislike almost everything SM says.
Put no value on his WIL ROBINSON [LOST IN SPACE] views miss placed self opinion.
But if, and I think it is true,you came here because of the ALP speak to your Friends policy, learn this.
I AM WRECKED because we are gone.
RUINED because it will bring so much pain.
But my Friend hear the voices of our party our true believers, me and hopefully you.
We gave up the right to rule in a state that was ours.
Shadow Minister is no target,his out pourings are not worth a reply.
But if my party is to learn any thing it MUST LEARN WE DO NOT NEED TO SLANDER THE OTHER SIDE.
Leave that too the conservatives attack dogs ,and face our failure, reward my party for the many knives in the back of its loyal supporters? VOTE GREEN.

Taurus,

I don't think there was any danger of the liberal party getting your vote.

I do acknowledge other sources of power generation. However, until such time as there is a viable base load alternative, renewables can at best be complementary, making up at most 40% of total generation.

While we are still a long way from this, if any progress is to be made on emissions reductions beyond 2020, a viable alternative to coal has to be found. As yet nuclear power is the only existing large scale technology that can meet our needs.

What my one eyed mate Belly misses with his burbling, is that power prices are set to escalate dramatically, and not only will that be pinned on the Labor party, but will sink the carbon tax in 2012 unless carefully managed.

SM, Globally coal will start rising in price as the more difficult
seams are mined. While it will happen overseas before it happens here
China's coal demand will increase quite steeply as they are no longer
able to supply their own demand.
If we agree to supply all they want what are we going to do for power
generation when we exhaust our own cheap coal ?

As the Chinese Premier said, we will burn all our coal and then we
will burn all yours !

That was no idle boast.
Why is there no discussion of this absolutely front and centre problem ?
The greens just rant on about using renewables. Just do it, they say
but they never say how. I believe they have no concept of scale.
It will take at least 40 years to restructure the energy system so
what do we do in the meantime ?
A simple example, if electric cars become universal (a 20 yr job)
the power system will need to about double in a business as usual regime.
How do they propose to close all coal fired stations and generate
twice as much energy ?

Before anyone decides I have fallen out of my tree go and read this
and then come back and tell me all will be loverly if only we do as they say.

http://www.postcarbon.org/article/254838-earth-s-limits-why-growth-won-t-return

Maybe due to the folly of how we have used and abused fossil fuels, there may be a price to pay. Those in the developing World may not be all that happy with us in the west, who gets what of what remains. A quick quiz, How many planet Earths do we need to find so everyone in the World can have the same material living standard presently enjoyed by the average American? 0 or 7.

Paul research with an open mind Nuclear power.
It untruth should be your mob who sell it not any other.
It is the power of the future, even greens one day will understand this.
And no, do not tell me of the waste coal waste is far more dangerous.
Can not ask for a better reason to thank SM, your post is evidence you charge me, with your crimes.

In just FOUR DAYS, the volcanic eruption in Iceland, since its' first spewing of volcanic ash, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT all of us have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet -


The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just FOUR DAYS by that volcano in Iceland, has totally erased every single effort all have made to reduce carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud out at any one time - EVERY DAY.

Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in its entire time on earth. Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year.

Of course the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well recognised 800 year global heating and cooling cycles, which keep happening, despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change. I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud, but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years...and it happens every year.

Just remember that our government is trying to impose a whopping carbon tax on you on the basis of the bogus “human-caused” climate change scenario. Hey, isn’t it interesting how they don’t mention “Global Warming” any more, but just “Climate Change” - you know why? It’s because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.

Just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme - that whopping new tax - imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won’t stop any volcanoes from erupting.

Don't be silly Philo, Julia will turn the tides, & still the volcanoes, with just a wave of her hand, but only if we will give her enough money of course.

It IS MY FAULT. no one else its me.
In one hundred posts I say enough,I will not respond.
But every time like a mother in law I take the bait.
I respond like a hungry cat to a fish being offered.
I except most known conservatives rebuttal of my views but Shadow minister has yet again, today, told me of my one eyed support for LABOR.
Read my comments in just this thread the one under it, and above.
Is such mud slinging of any worth, am I free to say those things, well if I thought for a second it was true maybe.
Such unfounded rubbish however is asking this question is its author able to do better?

July 15, 2010

Last month’s combined global land and ocean surface temperature made it the warmest June on record and the warmest on record averaged for any April-June and January-June periods, according to NOAA. Worldwide average land surface temperature was the warmest on record for June and the April-June period, and the second warmest on record for the year-to-date (January-June) period, behind 2007.

The monthly analysis from NOAA’s National Climatic Data Center, which is based on records going back to 1880, is part of the suite of climate services NOAA provides government, business and community leaders so they can make informed decisions.

http://www.noaanews.noaa.gov/stories2010/20100715_globalstats.html

Philo spreading FUD

http://www.wnho.net/letter_concerning_carbon_tax_and_global_warming.htm

If Philo wants to 'debate' carbon tax, ETS, etc - fine. But to be blind, deaf and dumb, WHY?!

Philo has posted something that has already been posted by another here this week.
Philo only sees a world that is full of fraud and lies, it partly is, he is peddling one of the products.
But unknowingly.
One day we will watch in wonder as todays denialists try to forget or hide views they sprout today.

In November 2010, North Korea disclosed to visiting U.S. experts an operational uranium enrichment facility at Yongbyon, prompting fears that the secretive state had again begun developing nuclear weapons.
North Korea has been subjected to several rounds of UN Security Council sanctions since it declared itself a nuclear power in 2005. The state broke off talks with South Korea, China, the United States, Japan and Russia over its nuclear program last April.
If Australia is to go nuclear do you see a problem with not allowing The Rogue States of North Korea or Iran to do like wise. After all they can justly point to the United Rogue States of America as one who's nuclear program has lead to the proliferation of nuclear weapons

http://www.cfact.org/a/886/Melting-the-facts-about-Greenlands-ice-sheet

Melting the facts about Greenland's ice sheet
Viking history, ice core samples, and observations of solar cycle cast doubt on human responsibility for climate change

Paul, you have missed the point.
There is a vast difference in publically running an enrichment process
with IAEC inspections and doing it in secret.

Iran admitted to having a secret enrichment plant.
It is still not inspected.
I wonder why ?

We should build an enrichment plant, open to all, and lease the fuel.
A customer gets no more fuel unless he returns the depleted fuel.
The returned fuel can be reprocessed a number of times I believe and
each cycle reduces its half life. I don't know the details but I
believe it reduces the waste and half life dramatically.

Whatever alternatives that may exist they will take at least 40 years
to get up to scale. Without nuclear we are looking at about 20 years
of very little energy being available.
Frankly a return to the 19th century but without coal.

Paul! mate! you know better than that.
Nuclear power is not Nuclear arms.
Are you aware how many country's in the world already run Nuclear power stations?
How many stations there already are in the world.
Do you know we can drill holes very great distances under ground to store wast, IF WE DO NOT reuse it?
China will be Nuclear soon we should not be left behind because of false fears.