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SBS Immigration Nation: a sorry tale again?
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Posted by individual, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 10:32:19 AM
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Oh individual, what a shock! Another one.
You help people? Why bother with your name then? And why bother to claim your own 'indigenous' status? Odd behaviour. I had no idea you came here direct from a court from the 19th century. You must be quite old by now? Unlike you, I came from no court delivered sentence but was a modern economic refugee seeking a chance of a job, or two. The classic migrant story, boring, but that's it. And I got many, building the infrastructure the nation needed. There wasn't enough of it, and the Australians already here were too lazy to work in the far flung areas that we far more enterprising people were happy to go to. Now, it really is upon you to identify these people you describe as 'Stealth invaders', "The ones I'm referring to as Stealth invaders are those who only got interested once this joint was well established & coming here didn't involve having to endure hardship." Are these people the southern Europeans of the Chifley 'two Wongs don't make a white' era the ones you fear and resent? Or maybe those from Fraser's Vietnam refugees policies? Are they the Abbott's 'boat people'? Are they the British stock who came on assisted passages? Maybe the hordes of Kiwi Maori that come here, to fill the jobs Aussies refuse to do in shearing sheds and country towns? Just who are these 'Stealth invaders' you so deeply resent, I wonder Posted by The Blue Cross, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 11:22:39 AM
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Below is a link to an article outlining the views of a former Hawke Government Minister, which many may find interesting.
http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/not-all-cultures-are-good/story-e6frg73o-1225764575810 Susieonline, I dissagree that we are a multicultural nation. We are a multiracial country but monocultural, with an acceptance and tolerance for some aspects of other cultures. Our Governance, laws and judicery, education, defence, police, local gogernment, finance and social standards are all based on the British model. These are the foundations of our culture and there are many aspects of other cultures that we do not accept. For example eating dog meat, dolphins, whale meat, horse meat, spiders and other culinary treats. We also shy away from incest, under age sex, FGM, carry firearms and honour killings, to name just a few. In fact there is no other culture that is the same as ours or we accept in total. The problem with Muslams is that they do not adjust their culture to fit into ours, but seek to impose their cultural norms on us, like modest dress and polygamy. It seems they are not prepared to compromise in any way. There are a few others like the Croats and Serbs the insist in keeping their long held hatreds of others and fight each other. I believe that our immigration policy should discriminate against those groups that refuse to integrate and cause us social problems. After all it is our country and about 90% of immigrants do integrate quite well. Posted by Banjo, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 12:53:02 PM
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TBC,
you answer a question with a question. Does that mean you haven't got an answer ? "you fear & resent ?" how did you come to that conclusion ? Don't you comprehend the debate ? fyi those whom you in parrot fashion call Wongs built the infrastructure you feel so entitled to make full use of now but non-thinkingly condemn those who had the foresight to instigate this infrastructure. Just don't forget that those who condemn those who have foresight shows their lack of conviction to help make this country a good place to live in. Just consider what Banjo says in his post re the foundations of the culture in this country. Posted by individual, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 1:24:46 PM
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Banjo, not what you were focussing on, by relevant anyway.
Cohen says "that not only should we be a society of a hundred cultures but it is the government's duty, nay obligation, to see that we remain permanently culturally divided. If some groups wish to remain separate from mainstream Australia, then that is their choice, but they should not expect governments to aid and abet those divisions". Quite so, so it is a shame that: a) we have any religious schools to encourage division in education and later in the broader community b) that the 1880s concept of 'secular public education' is now completely dismantled c) that my Morris dancing skills are seen as being of lesser value than African drumming, or Etruscan vase music, or Latvian folk dancing and so on, just because it is British, nay, English. And, whatever happened to the school Maypole? Gone, subsumed by tribal dancing and Haka's on the one hand and over zealous evangelicals who objected to the Pagan roots of this fine and beautiful dancing, attached to the Harvest Festival, another Pagan event they hate with pleasure. I'm with the 'Jewish boy' on this. Posted by The Blue Cross, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 1:35:40 PM
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individual
Allow me a quote please, 'I do wish you'd learn some poetry, your ignorance cramps my conversation'. I think your previous question concerning the 'missing rights' of Indigenous people might be best answered by one of them, it is not something that I have thought about, and it was you who raised it, not me. You avoid a question, by avoiding a question, that you perhaps need to respond to, to make your own argument better understood by all, rather than because I ask you to answer it. Now, history, old chum, is a handy bucket to dip into. Arty Calwell, Chifley's immigration guru famously said, "two Wongs do not make a White". Read a snippet on Arty on Wikiwhatsit here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_Calwell "Calwell's remark in Parliament in 1947 that "Two Wongs don't make a White" is widely quoted. The remark was intended as a joke, being a reference to a Chinese resident called Wong who was wrongly threatened with deportation, and a Liberal MP, Sir Thomas White." The use of a capital W is crucial, and the context of course, taking this from a racist slur to the joke Calwell intended, but never mind that, like Horne's now infamous 'Lucky Country', the Wong remark has a life of it's own now. I thought you'd be sufficiently vintaged to know of it, at least from your school history lessons, apparently not. Posted by The Blue Cross, Wednesday, 12 January 2011 1:57:00 PM
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fyi. This will really churn your already churned insides. I have actually been told by indigenous Australians (I'm indigenous too but not to Australia) that they appreciated the work I have done in communities over several decades.
I have also had them say to me how utterly disgusted they are with some of their own political grand-standers.
As for,
The people who were (not) invaded didn't have any rights to the land in which they lived, did they?
No more or less then those who were sentenced to here by the 1800's equivalent of you. Besides, these invaders came to a land with no infrastructure whatsoever. The ones I'm referring to as Stealth invaders are those who only got interested once this joint was well established & coming here didn't involve having to endure hardship. S'ppose you're of that stock ?
How many rights do the indigenous Australians not have nowadays ? I'm sure there are some but I'd like you to list them.