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SBS Immigration Nation: a sorry tale again?

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Billy, your post hits me like a bell vibrating in my chest.

Only when nearly half of my life past me by that I started to realize it is OK to say what you see, what you feel, and what you want. All my life I was subjected to brainwash either by the Communists or by "liberal and progressive" intellectuals. I think that is enough.

Someone try to teach me to be tolerant, and not to say anything offending the muslims. They ask me what would I feel if someone say the same thing against the Chinese.

Here is my answer. If someone say something against the Chinese, fine, let them state their reasons. If what they have said is reasonable, for instance, the Chinese medicine leads to population decline or even extinction of many wild lives, I will say, good on them for speaking of the truth! If someone say that the Chinese are repulsive, "I hate them!" I shall commend the expression of true feelings, and advise them not to have to anything to do with the Chinese. If someone advocate the extermination of the Chinese, I shall watch how he puts his money where his mouth is with great interest.

It is the truth that matters, not ethnicity.

And the truth is that only muslim migrants have a religious mission, if they are willing to follow it, to convert all the infidels. No any other migrants have the same religious mission to make Australia Jewish, Buddhist, or, any other type of ist or ish.

In any case, we are not going to tolerate any of those ideology, violent and fanatic ideology. I am also not going to believe all cultures are compatible, equal, and admirable.
Posted by Peng, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 2:03:31 PM
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In any case, we are not going to tolerate any of those ideology, violent and fanatic ideology. I am also not going to believe all cultures are compatible, equal, and admirable.
Peng,
welcome to my circle of thinking. If only there was a way to de-indoctrinate the educated left this would be a really great country to live in rather than just for those who get handsome reward for no effort.. We need to open their eyes to stop placing people into categories. That's socialist control freak mentality.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 2:33:17 PM
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Peng thanks,and no offense my name is Bell, hence Belly, however it intrigues me, my dads name was Bill, and folk who never knew him call me Bill?
Now hands up I am from just left of center, not ashamed of it.
But you are quite right, if we could freely debate it I truly think what is in this day called racism can be traced to differences including religion.
I lived for a year in Summer Hill in Sydney.
A home for third generation Chinese Australians, not once did we present a problem to each other.
I will continue to avoid being well liked by claiming opinions I in truth reject.
Headline in todays on line papers say in Pakistan ,right now, crowds have gathered to celebrate the murder of a minister who wanted to down grade laws calling for death for? blasphemy!
We humans should celebrate our different rejoice in our sameness and stop forever following Gods that divide us.
That for some, not just on the left bigotry is alive in the right,puts me in the bad person basket.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 3:42:14 PM
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In a recent trip to Sydney, I realised how ill-equipped I am to talk about multiculturalism. I live in Townsville, where we are essentially a bicultural society - indigenous and white. Furthermore, I teach in a Catholic school, so the people I see on a day-to-day basis tend to be of either Italian or Irish stock (with a few others thrown in for good measure). Essentially, though, if I was to ask them what nationality they are, almost without exception they would say "Australian".

A former Sydneysider, I spent a week in Sydney for the first time in over a decade (a fleeting 48 hour trip two years ago hardly counts). At first, I was alarmed by the ethnic diversity. It seemed that overhearing a conversation in English - and especially one with an Australian accent - was a rare treat.

As a visitor, this was part of the charm of Sydney, but I'll admit I was glad to get back to the familiarity that is Townsville. I have no idea what it is like to live in that ethnic mix, to do business with it or to be educated in it. It is all well and good to praise ethnic diversity, but those of us (I may be alone here - I don't speak for anyone else) who have no day-to-day experience of it should probably keep our mouths shut and let those who live with such diversity decide for themselves what is best to do.
Posted by Otokonoko, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 5:32:31 PM
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For anyone acquainted with SBS there’s very little new in the latest documentary: Immigration Nation.

A different presentational style, perhaps, but beneath the veneer it’s a re-hash of the same old SBS party-line :
--- Oz “as a shining white outpost on the fringe of (a monolithic) Asia”, artificially sustained by a racist White Australia Policy(WAP).
--- Migrants struggling against the cruel anglo establishment.

It’s all good stuff for the guilt industry, and already some of the usual suspects are tapping into it to reinvigorate their unpopular open-borders campaign, with comments like “The desperate men, women and child floundering in the wild seas (off Christmas island) could have been our own ancestors”

But , at the heart of this documentary’s account of history is a deceit: that Australia’s WAP was a peculiar creation of anglo Australia –the reality is starkly different.

The polices enshrined in the WAP were little different to many THAT WERE, AND STILL ARE, policy in our region:
China, for a thousand years saw itself as the pure, middle kingdom surrounded by foreign devils, it wanted no part of.
Malaysia, Mahathir used to crow he wanted to grow population manyfold –but the plan never included the import of foreigners ( nor the fostering of its Chinese/Indian minorities)
Japan, has long had an anti-immigration , anti-foreigner policy and practice.
Singapore, cherry picks the highly skilled but tells refugees it has no room.
Ditto, Indonesia, Vietnam and Brunei.
It’s not a case of WAP-era Australia being out of step , but WAP-era Australia being in step with regional norms.

And to compound this deceit, one (SBS) commentator even suggests that Japanese militarism was in part a reaction to the WAP!
One wonders if the presenters have undertaken even an elementary study of regional history.

But, who could blame SBS it’s only protecting its market niche. Its very survival may depend on the continued influx of migrants.
And the more tribalism and guilt, it can engender : “my grand mother was badly done by” “Australia is the pariah nation of Asia” , the easier for SBS to market itself .
Posted by SPQR, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 7:20:42 PM
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Most human groups tend to display ethnocentrism, the tendency to judge other cultures by the standards of one's own. Some measure of ethnocentrism is almost unavoidable in any racial or ethnic group. To many people, it is self-evident that their own norms, religion, attitudes, values, and cultural practices are right and proper, while those of other groups may seem inappropriate, peculiar, bizarre, or even immoral. Within limits, such ethnocentrism can be functional for the group's survival, for these atitudes ensure its members' solidarity and cohesion. People who believe that their group and its way of life are "best" will have faith and confidence in their own cultural tradition, will discourage penetration by outsiders, and will unite to work for their common goals. The difficulty is, of course, that under certain conditions, ethnocentric attitudes can lead to the exploitation and oppression of other groups. This can change however - hostilities may subside if the subordinate group is able to gain greater equality with the dominant group. The history of this country supports this view, the strong hostilities that originally existed against the early immigrants gradually lessened as the groups gained entry to the broad Australian middle-class where they were seen as equals rather than rivals.
Posted by Lexi, Tuesday, 11 January 2011 7:50:59 PM
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