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USA gun massacre - we don't need guns.

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@Shintaro

Astute, entertaining and pertinent.

Much appreciated.

@Cornflower

>>I have no interest in taking sides.<<

Then please supply evidence of above claim. I was planning on giving you a Glock 17 9mm for Christmas - should I rethink?
Posted by J Parker, Sunday, 30 January 2011 9:51:47 AM
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J Parker, "..should I rethink?"

You should think beyond the tool, or being one, yes.
Posted by Cornflower, Sunday, 30 January 2011 2:06:57 PM
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*First you foolishly claim there have been no multiple killings with guns after Howard's expensive political stunt*

Ah Cornflower, that came from a critic of your "gun lobby associates
claimed experts". I did not even bother to post the link. At the time
of his writing, there had indeed been no more mass shootings. But
since he wrote that, you found a solitary single one. Big deal lol.

I think his point was, that in the 10 years or so before that,
there had been something like 11
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 30 January 2011 2:13:29 PM
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Yabby,

Statistics is not your long suit, unlike your bluster.
Posted by Cornflower, Sunday, 30 January 2011 2:47:37 PM
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Ah Cornflower, I am surprisingly good at understanding the statistics
which matter.

I actually thought of you, when I read this:

http://www.smh.com.au/world/mum-shoots-kids-for-mouthy-talk-20110129-1a8z9.html

There you go, a well behaved citizen, hubby in the military, she
snaps and shoots the kids. Its what tends to happen, when people
live in a gun culture.

Its actually my understanding of neuroscience which convinces me
that my opinion is on the right track on this subject.

Just take a look at the domestic violence statistics. Nope its not
just lower class crims, bashing their partners.

Fact is, if there is a gun handy, emotions are high and turn to rage,
people don't think clearly and do silly things. Guns are just too
easy to use, so people use them, as US data shows.

We do actually have an Australian Institute for Criminology, with
a whole squad of research managers, research analysts and research
officers. It should be quite within their capability, to give you
the answers that you seek. Last time I checked, there were over
35 of them on the payroll. How many more do you want?
Posted by Yabby, Sunday, 30 January 2011 3:50:52 PM
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Yabby, "I am surprisingly good at understanding the statistics which matter."

Not statistics of the mathematical variety however.

Having failed to provide any evidence at all to back up your opinions, you now claim an "understanding of neuroscience".

Then you claim that the US 'gun culture' was responsible for a US mother killing her children.

Applying your logic the recent Australian case where a mother used a knife and house fire to kill four was attributable to a knife and matches culture and the arson murder in Victoria of 170+ people was caused by a matches culture. The Whiskey Au Go Go arson multiple murders in Brisbane? Matches or petrol culture, take your pick.

Criminologists in Australia
You need to read earlier post and refer to the link I gave.
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=4217&page=34
29 January 2011 4:53:12 PM

To repeat the obvious, it is a fact that Howard's buy-back and gun laws were a complete waste of taxpayers' money and a continuing waste of police resources. In this and in all other areas of regulation, government should base policy on evidence and rigorously measure the results.

Policy makers should be concentrating on reducing violence, which ought be advised by a coordinated, national study of violence by professionals with appropriate training and skills.
Posted by Cornflower, Sunday, 30 January 2011 7:03:50 PM
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