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USA gun massacre - we don't need guns.

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Cornflower

Repeating your empty claims is no substitute for answering the questions.

No government in Australia is run by the Greens.

All states and territories are run by conservative ideologues, either in the ALP or Lib-Nat coalitions.

If there are 'gun problems' then they are the responsibility of those ALP-Coalition governments, all of whom are outbidding each other to be 'tough on drugs'.

So, how do you explain that?

And, how do you measure 'drug-crime' success rates, given that the current 'tough on drugs' paradigm has failed, and you reject the Greens approach?
Posted by The Blue Cross, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:03:14 PM
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First Johnny Howard

Now the Greens responsible

For no mass shootings
Posted by Shintaro, Tuesday, 25 January 2011 11:24:38 PM
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The Blue Cross,

You are right in that governments have been severe on individual users - a student with a reefer - while letting the big offenders off with a smack on the wrist.

Taking a recent example, after a police raid found more than 7kg of cannabis and $120,000 in cash his flat, this offender pleaded guilty to possessing and supplying a prohibited drug and dealing with the proceeds of crime.

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/greens-mp-lee-rhiannon-stands-by-drug-charge-son/story-e6freuy9-1225910424145

For that the offender received a smack on the wrist - 15 months periodic detention. Periodic detention has been replaced with a system of community-based treatment and monitoring.

The New South Wales Greens misrepresent that legal gun ownership relates to firearm abuse, but legal firearms ownership is up while crime, including gun crime, is continuing to drop. However the available evidence points to drugs being implicated in most crime, violence and ownership of illegal weapons. Despite that, the NSW Greens have regularly demanded the decriminalisation of drug possession, even 'ice',

http://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/news/green-lees-never-met-ice-user/story-e6frf0a0-1111113149346

Soft on drugs and soft on criminals, but only too willing to become human headlines by sniping at the thousands of very respectable, law-abiding citizens, many ex-military, who legally compete in family recreations such as Service Match competitions at rifle ranges in NSW and pretending that they are responsible for the acts of drug dealers and organised crime.

What is needed is evidence-based policy and regular reporting to parliament of the effectiveness of policy initiatives against robust performance measures.
Posted by Cornflower, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 5:49:29 PM
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I remain pleased

That Aussies don't worship guns

Like Americans
Posted by Shintaro, Wednesday, 26 January 2011 8:54:52 PM
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Absolument! Shintaro.

From January's Time Magazine, here are some up to date stats on gun trauma in the U.S. These are for the time span of one year.

. More than 100,000 people in America are shot in murders, assaults, suicides, accidents of by police.

. 31,224 people die from gun violence.

. 12,632 people are murdered.

. 3.067 children and teens die from gun violence. - 2,161 of those children and teens are murdered.

. 17,352 people kill themselves.

. 351 people are killed by police intervention.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 28 January 2011 9:00:19 PM
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You are of course quite correct, Poirot.

But methinks that Cornflower is like a dog with a bone on this
one and no matter what, she is not going to let go :)

Sometimes it pays to just let them happily chew away.
Posted by Yabby, Friday, 28 January 2011 9:22:19 PM
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