Jolanda

I have watched your posts for a while and find you interesting.

Where do I even begin.

I feel like screaming from the roof tops but not the posters just our Government.

Firstly you are correct 'in a way 'to get your back up somewhat.

Years ago The Islamic Leaders approached our Government and requested all meat be slaughtered Halal In Australia.

The scarey part is- this in itself was not really a problem to the Government however other issues came forward.


In export yes we have some laws and AQIS do attend.

In local plants or abattoirs it is not always the case.

We even have mobile Muslim slaughtermen running around slaughtering in peoples back yards right here in Australia- In the city!

I will explain the difference between some slaughtering methods for starters.
A - Aussie way- Bolt between eyes[head, known as a stun gun= Normally quick and renders animal unconshious- throat slit straight after.[
It is in fact interesting to note no more than twelve seconds can be allowed for the whole of this process to run a succesful plant.
halal.

The word Halal means lawful to Islamic Law. A animal must not be dead before having its thoat cut.

There has been much! trouble over humaine slaughter methods.

Halal plants in Australia for export use a stun gun.

This is like a mushroom which renders an electric shock through the Animal before its throat it cut.

It works reasonable well on sheep and smaller animal but there are some real problems with large animals such as cattle.

Before you brand Halal cruel we have Kosha.

In all my years of work nothing! comes close to the cruel Kosha method.

I know meat workers as hard as nails who have thown up and almost cried.

So yes Jolanda- You are correct to think when you go shopping and wonder whats behind it all.


Thank You for this thread

I wish people should care about what is the kidest method before anything else.

hello Rex

Shes got a good point. By the way did you know most Kentucy fried chicken is slaughter Halal?

Actually I am informed all of it by the halal CEO of Australia.

Would I be bothered about that.? I am concerned about having the highest degree of animal welfare.

Wheat Boad manager. Thats interesting.

Were you aware of any live export companies running their transport through there around that time?

Funny you should mention the wheat Board we just send a half a dozen strippers to stand outside tbhe AWB enquiry to let the public know it wasnt just wheat money.

Talk about 'missed oportunitys' for labour. Old Rudd headed for the hills. It makes me mad to see missed oportnitys for both the country and the animals.

Jolanda does have a point.

To be honest with you Jolanda we a Directors of a company Halal Kind Meats but - I can see where you are coming from.

The really interesting thing you need to know is many Muslim leaders and people are more than happy to form co joint ventures right here in Australia.

Wonder why the Government dont push that.

Could it be the trade dollar comes before Animal Welfare.

Is it possibly our farmers have been mislead by the National Party who have sold them out and allowed the country to be flooded with cheap imports.
Has Jolanda a very good point that needs to be openly discussed now.
Well I think so anyway
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David sorry I didnt reply on your last thread.
I will repond tonight.
Thanks for your patience but it was out of my control

You can probably guess.

I must say there are some really good comments on this thread all round

"I wonder what chances you will have to change things when you go out and things have already changed.

We have to deal with issues before they get out of control not wait until afterwards."

I agree with you, Jolanda, but when it comes to "issues" we all have different priorities and we can't possibly find the time to "deal with" everything, can we? And with so many controversial, and often worthwhile and pressing issues, it's a good thing that we don't all have the same priorities anyway, isn't it?

I'll tell you a little about myself. I've been president of a very active, and sometimes necessarily militant community association. Represented another community association on an environmental committee. Head of a large local Neighbourhead Watch. An active member of the organisation which helped to stop tobacco advertising in Western Australia.

I've actively campaigned on such things as retention of heritage buildings, stopping inappropriate developments, retention of public access to foreshores, anti-nuclear and a fair go for those who prefer to swim nude. And my second wife and I marched in the Perth Gay Mardi Gras, back in the days when it was supposed to be controversial.

If none of these fit your priorities, then you'll get no criticism, implied or expressed, from me.

And I'm just about a founder member of the WA Greens. That doesn't mean that I necessarily agree with all the Greens policies or priorities, but I do see myself as a thinking person with a social conscience. Some would regard my association with the Greens as evidence to the contrary of course. LOL

cont

I remember seeing sheep slaughtered in a small WA Wheatbelt abattoir in the 1970s, when I was there on insurance business. This was nothing to do with Halal or Kosher, just the way it was done there at that time. The sheep stood in a line and stepped forward, one at a time, and had their throats cut, with no other intervention. I grew up in the country in Yorkshire, back in the days when general farming practices were often different to how they are now, but I must say that I found it confronting. But I also realised that the sheep were not scared or alarmed at what was happening right in front of them.

And I also realised that few of us will depart this life in such a stress free and pain free manner. And I could point the finger at elements of the Catholic Church, the stalwarts of the so-called Right to Life movement, for some aspects of that, couldn't I. But, unless you are an active member of Right to Life, I would no more blame you for this than I would blame my many Catholic friends who think as I do on voluntary euthanasia.

Incidentally, before anyone criticises these particular abattoir workers over this, I also saw the different way in which they treated the cattle, which they explained to me were, unlike the sheep, aware of what was happening. In this respect they certainly showed their humaneness.

I find it scary how Muslim matters are always looked upon religiously by the people even if they are political.

I find it scary because I believe that they do this so as to get protection under the anti-discrimination Act. Race, often presented as religion, is protected under the Act. It is in their best interest to present everything as a race and religious matter.

If Halal meat is a also not a religious matter and it means lawful to Islamic Law and all our meat is being processed as Halal then the question has to be asked

”How can our Government allow this to happen without asking us?”.

People Against Live Exports & Intensive Farming I will respond later but I must say I fully agree with you that the way animals are ALLOWED TO BE treated is inhumane.

Rex

Rightly so re the Aussie Plant workers in WA.

I would be curious as to why a bolt was not used to pre stun even back then. Are you saying this was a Halal Plant?

It sounds like it was a domestic plant for local supply.

I have little knowledge of WA but most probably its long closed and the supply is now redirected to Live Animal Exports like so many others .

Something tells me you must have made some enquires when you visted that abattoir.

By your profile you seem to be a person who might be decent enough to ask some questions.

They probably fed some porkies or sincerly were not aware of the real facts.

No Rex you cant slaughter animals in front of each other without causing them stress.

Never could.

You have my vote on the right for life by the way and a few others.

I received a call from a lady and her husband holidaying just after Xmass.

She enquired where she could purchase Halal Meat.



This became a serious problem for her family.



Jolanda This ones for you at the risk of getting a slap on the rist from all sides.

Dr Morey director of reaserch writes in one of his books>

Mohammad On Women

Muhammad taught that the majority of the people in hell were women!

The prophet said,' "I was shown the hell fire and that the majority of its dwellers were women"[ vol1, nos.28,301,vol2,no 1611.

[ Smile- I thought you might like that one.

It would be unfair of me not to add I have shared many laughs with Muslim people on that.

Many more have spoken out about the cruelty of live exports and begged the Government to slaughter in Australia.

Be it Aussie slaughter or Halal I think the first and foremost question people SHOULD be asking is was this animal slaughtered as close to home and quickly and painlessly as possible.

May the best God Speak up for the Animals.

Mean time we will continue to ask both! for help.