CJ Morgan. I have never said that I have a high IQ. I said that I am exposed to alot of high IQ and the concern of those with a high IQ is as great as mine.

Did it ever occur to you that the problem might be your IQ.

Urgh. How ridiculous.

The sales pitch of a vendor is a representation of a market. Because there is a market for halal, sale of halal exists. There is also a market for pig products. Therefore, pig products exist.

The bottom line is a butcher can sell their meat however they want. Because we live in a free country, any vendor of food is free to sell halal, kosher, whatever. And you're free to shop elsewhere if you have a problem with it.

I mean, seriously. What else is there?

Spot on, CJ.

And Jolanda, why don't you open your own meat shop? and possibly perform all activities in the supply chain of meat production, from rearing the animals to serving it in your meal? that way you could be sure, absolutely.

Jolanda, one last thing, Money talks.

Pericles..

"Keeping of domestic pets is slavery"
"The gentle Imam in the video was explaining, compassionately and thoughtfully, the physical limits of such action" (i.e. beating ones spouse)

Word to Pericles wife.. "Watch out"

Yep.. that kind of says it all. Nothing to blush about at my end mate.

Nice tap-dance Boaz.

>>Word to Pericles wife.. "Watch out"<<

But as I mentioned before, you are the self-confessed advocate of administering physical punishment to young women, not I. And as I recall, quite proud of it.

So what, exactly, should my wife fear? Yours, on the other hand, has already seen you beat your daughter. On the balance of probabilities, your wife has more to be concerned about than mine.

Let me remind you once again of how this arose.

In the middle of a civilised discussion on the nature of Halal meat, you inject a gratuitous jibe, presumably selected to illustrate the "barbarism" of Islam. Unfortunately, the topic you chose was corporal punishment, which you had previously supported, quite vehemently as I recall, as a suitable punishment for adolescent females.

Sorry, but that's hypocrisy in my book.

Now let the good people get back to their discussion on foodstuffs.

Pericles
my wife has had 28 yrs with me without a finger being laid on her, not even wishing to.. she has nothing to worry about, but if one took that little message of the sheikh and the Quran to heart I shudder to think of what alternative mindset one might have. I certainly know its a big issue among Malaysian Muslim women.

I stand by corporal punishment for children, but there is no 'pride' in administering it to my daughter..don't confuse "getting attention to a topic" with pride.

Enuf on this already. Back to Jolandas topic.