Food For thought.
Several years ago we contacted Phillip Ruddocks office and spoke to his advisors concered about the two clear sets of rules in this country when it came to marraige.
We were refering to people getting married [ muslims] in this country when they already had a wife.
No worries says the advisor that just like an Aussie bloke having a wife and a mistress.
When we pointed out we didnt want to have the same crisis that the UK had some fourteen pluss years agorushing acts through parliment neither advisor knew what we were refering to.
The legal situation reached the point where the English Parliment was forced to rule that Muslims did not have to follow English law when it came to such things as divore, they instead can follow islamic Law. So neither God knows whos who child and nor do the Australian people and tax payers[great]
If you think thats scarey what about the fact that our ministers didnt even know
So if you and I do it in our own country we go to goal.
How say you David from a Churchy point of view?

Speaking of the church could you ask the Salvation army to pass on the donations taken from the good public regarding the drought appeal to but food for the farmers stock please.

I must say the Muslims that I spoke to of this country were outraged by the christian churches raising millions from the Red cross Appeal for farmers and not buying one bale of hay.

They tell me thats a crime under Islamic Law.
I reckon it should be a crime under the misuse of public funding law.
Anyway I will leave you to ponder our wonderful ill informed Government.

Leigh..thanx 4 the support as usual :)

PALEIF
I can't comment on the Salys, because I know nothing about that... I suggest you do some digging and come up with some response from them, by all means sus out the person responsible and give them a phone call and report back 2 us here..
They do a great work generally, so I suspect there is some kind of comms problem there..but pending your investigation :) I'll refrain from saying much.

Churchey point of view about defacto bigamy ? Yep.. its very nasty stuff. I did check the situation out with the Dept of Immig regarding a man who has more than one wife. If not mistaken, he can only bring one wife here, but its a while back now, and I'm a tad vaque..I recall them saying he can only claim one as his legal wife in regard to centrelink. So that would apply to the children also.

There have been some interesting exceptions, and Kaysar Trad is one of them, (his situation was prior to the law being tightened up on families of polygamous background)

http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2002/10/01/1033283486605.html
[Trad arrived in Australia at 13 as part of a family reunion complicated by polygamy. His half-brother who had settled in Sydney got permission to bring his mother and siblings from Lebanon. Because his mother was married, she was able to bring her husband. At the time her husband was married to two other women. One of them (Trad's mother) came along, too, with her children. The older wife divorced her husband in Australia and the patriarch lived with Trad's mother.]

and this bloke is another case.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IuTa1VlRJZU

But unless we are all vigilant...and are prepared to expose abuses or changes to the law which promote this kind of thing, we have no one but ourselves to blame for the result.

Thanx for your contribution.

BOAZ_David said: "That.. is like the KEY TO THE CITY for this discussion. It summarizes all I would say on the issue, and I'm glad it has been said by someone else as well."

I usually avoid copy'n'paste jobs, but those excerpts were compendious enough to make the point. Multiculturalism is indeed a misguided view of human nature. The sooner this pernicious doctrine is repudiated, the sooner the nation's best interests will be served. In fact, Australia's very existence as a unified nation-state is being threatened by this multicultural separatism.

David

Thanks. I already dug. The barrister for the Red Cross farm hand appeal said this;quote] 'I tell you right now not 'one cent 'of that money is going to buy one bale of hay.
Ask a farmer what he wants more than anything in these times and its feed for his stock to keep his farm going and his pride.

Do you remember the tV adds ?Lots of footage of dying animals pulling at the heart strings of the public. Nine out of ten of the public we asked said they thought their donation was by large going to buy feed and water for stock.
Shame on Church leaders at having to be nagged! to also help Gods creatures.

I spoke with the head of the Sallys on friday.
Same deal. They suggested i put something in writing requesting they and RSPCA combine some of the millions given by public for feed for stock.
Will do and post it here if thats ok.

re the other. Yes you can only bring one here.
That does not mean you cant meet other women here and Marry in Muslim law.
The Government say but its not recognised by Australian law. Maybe not but still- It has the same result like more kids and many of those are living off welfare.
point is as I said UK had to rush laws through parliment years ago and our Ministers dont even know. If we got married in a church while already married we would be in strife.
They say but- We dont belive in your God- We dont belive in your laws. Some even get a divorce - just to comply with Australian laws for welfare. It means nothing to them. As they say- No worries its just a pecice of paper to us. Nothing more.
I stress i know many good Muslim people as well. My point is are the Government so stupid they cant see that some are thumbing their noses at them
One law for all I say. No marriages if your already married because thats the Aussie way.
Goodnight

I think we should forget the reds under the bed thing David, the wall came down years ago. That's the least of our problems.

Thanks for the U Tube example; I find this easier to look at as I get impatient reading complex versus and so on.

I found an interesting one too, which I would be interested to know your response to:

Dawah in Australia

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pEw2Cb1b2ME

This is a debate about Islamic and Australian cultures and how we can live together.

What stood out was the statement that it is against the nature of Islam to negotiate under anyone else's terms but theirs. Unless you an are Islamic authority, they will not recognise your authority.

I was never an advocate for assimilation, but this premise makes multiculturalism impossible.

He goes on saying that they will start the debate, not under our terms, but under their terms.

No wonder their Sheikhs insulted our women and our ancestors.

As to that U Tube Mohamed guy that you referred to, I think that was negligence on the part of Centrelink to allow that to perpetuate. It is possible that Child protection was negligent, as violent men like this are not a good influence over children.

This guy was ripping people off, he showed nothing but contempt and violence, and worst of all, he kept playing with himself through his brown tracky dackies. What an ugly suburban piece of trash this man behaves like. I hope channel 7 charged him for assault. I also hope Centrelink demands overpayments, and command some respect for our welfare system.

Even I can't afford to drive a car to the value that he was driving. Now he wants to start a buisiness on a disability pension? Allah, p-lease!

REDS under the BEDS ? :) sure.. I don't see them as so much of a threat these days, BUT... keep a close eye on the ETU and see the connection between Muslims and ETU/unions. As I see it they are both using each other for a bigger impact than either one alone would have. Asio should be watching them like hawks. The student arm (Resistance) does have dangerous influence when they attack broad based issues, and it gives them control of large numbers of youth who can (and in Malaysia have been) be re-directed towards more violent acts against the state) It's easier than you might imagine.

PALEIF
thanx for that..and YES feel totally free to post anything like you said here.. I'm as rabid as anyone on any hint of corruption or nasty goings on in 'Big Church'... Lets persue this, and there is also value in indicating to the Sallys that the issue is being discussed on a major national forum :) I'll 'delegate' that to you cobber.. I'll just be the facilitator. One thing to check though..is.. did the money go to ANY Farmer welfare related projects ? Its always possible that while feed was not supplied, other things might have been, so clear that one up before going the 16 wheeler approach :)

SAINT.. I'm so glad you recognized that very important point. "Who's Terms"
I've been confident that given time, participants here will actually dig out the truth for themselves and will not just see such things as "Bozo's incoherrant religious woffle"

Thats IS the crucial issue for Islam, and no amount of "Lets hold hands and sing Kum Ba Ya while we have constructive inter-faith religious dialogue" can ever change it.