CJ.... you rascal.
Dear Rob
Only those who do not know me would think I'd post some of the material I do and not expect some comeback as you provided :) I welcome that.
I simply point out that the 'initiator' in those verses you supplied is God, not man. It is not 'man' calling out for God to destroy and annihiliate, it is God Himaself in the process of judging the world.
There is also the issue of the degree of symbolism in those verses, and I cannot claim to have a complete answer on that point.

RACHE.. Its never about the 'Muslim' bogey man, its about the 'bogey man of Islam' as a doctrine, and believe it or not, it is just as much about the Roman Catholic bogey man or the Anglican bogey man. Probably more the RC than Catholic, but when you see those traditions established at State level, the same problems can arise.

The starting point is probably RCism which has as a pillar of its faith that the Pope is the only legal head of 'The' Church on earth.
We have managed to extricate ourselves from the problems associated with this in Australia and we have a government which is broadbased and inclusive of the various traditions. I think its true to say that the Catholics have agreed to peacefully accept that not everyone in Australia is willing to concede that their view is the correct one.

The problem is with such ideologies as Islam and Communism. Neither of these can or would ever accept a denial of ultimate power. it is their absolute goal. Its like feathers to a chicken.

"The world and all_that_is_in_it belongs to Allah and his apostle"
is a political statement of doctrine and objective just as much as the goal of proletarian revolution.
Communism, Islam, Catholicism and Anglicanism are all political by nature. In contrast to this, "The Church".... Christs body on earth is not political, and exists in the hearts of all those who know Him and have given their lives to Him as Lord and Saviour.

Wobbles,

You seem determined to dig yourself in deeper and look even sillier, if that’s possible.

Yes, there have been vague rumours by outsiders concerning discrimination against aboriginal Japanese. So what? Still nothing to do with m/c and, remember, the discrimination and ill-treatment aboriginal people in pinko, PC multicultural Australia claimed by some. Again, nothing to do with m/c.

You seem to have made an effort to get some second-hand, unreliable internet information on Japan. Again, this has nothing to do with m/c.

You simply do not understand multiculturalism. You and those of your ilk seem unable to distinguish between multiculturalism, multiracialism and non-discriminatory immigration.

You say to me: “Also, your observation “.. that they don’t want their country invaded by other races permanently and have special considerations given to them. “ Isn’t this a bit like what we are doing here as well?

This is a truly an ignorant, ridiculous statement. We have had an enforced policy of multiculturalism in Australia since 1975, which has seen the country take in people of just about every race and culture in the world. This has been forced on us by both major parties, without consultation, and supported by the political dregs like Greens, Democrats and a few independents. This is our official policy as opposed to Japanese official policy designed to protect their racial integrity.

If you continue to criticise posters who express an opinion in a thread created by a third party, then you are going to have to lift your game.

OLO for people like us who don’t really have voice in matters political and social. Just who the hell do you think you are, presuming as you do, to take other people to task just because you disagree with them?

You are just another arrogant fool best ignored.

Leigh: So post an anecdote that is not politically correct and those who embrace political correctness assert that this not-politically- correct-enough-for-their-culturally-sensitivities is kindergarten and infantile. Yes, Yes. We agree. Bye the way that "pork hunt" is an old Aussie joke. Love that Aussie sense of humour. Saw a boat the other day called "Pork Hunt". Reminded me.

Leigh just because Japan’s population is mostly the one race doesn't make them all embrace the one culture. That is impossible. We all have different cultural mores. For instance: Leigh are you suggesting that you regard the cultural mores of Japan's gay community as the same as everyone else? So in your ideal monoculture you would embrace gayness?

Then there is the silly comparison between a small country that hasn't had a need to call on immigration to populate and a country that for various reasons choose to take on immigrants. These immigrants came from all different cultures. Moreover, there were/are the Indigenous peoples’ in Australia who held to their cultural mores.

But people like you, who wanted everyone to be like you, started causing trouble and whinging, whining and vilifying good folk because they were different so the government decided the best thing to do was to acknowledge this difference and promote multiculturalism. Regardless of any government decisions we have a rich mix of cultures and are thus necessarily multicultural.

The main two cultural differences are the monoculturalists and the multiculturalists. This is not to forget all those that hold their own cultural mores, ideals and way of life.

Monoculture sounds as bit too much like Ein Volk, ein Reich, ein Fueher. And Fundamentalist Islamic folk’s ideal is monoculture. Fair enough when in other countries they are supposed to obey the laws of that country but their inclination to kill people who are not PC with their religion makes the idea of any monoculture as about appealing as a holiday in Iraq or a fat man’s cleavage.

I think it is Japan’s high regard for citizenship and focussed nation building that helps with the supposed homogeneity.

Ronnie,

Pity that you couldn’t get an interpreter, but I suppose that reading and writing ability would be hard to find in your circle. I’ll try hard to understand you.

1. You did not post an “anecdote”. You directly criticised me. I have often thought that your posts were idiotic, but I have never criticised them. Everyone is entitled to think whatever he or she wishes, in my book.
2. Homosexuality has nothing to do with culture. It is a perversion – at best, a sickness.
3. I do not wish other people to “be like me”. I merely wish that you and people like your girlfriend, Wobbles, would allow me to think what I think without comment. Start your own thread, or comment on the instigator of the thread by all means, but leave the rest of us alone.
4. The government (Fraser) brought in multiculturalism without consultation, not because of your wet reason. I am highly amused by your insinuation that only multiculturalists are “good folk”. I have no objection to people of different races/cultures immigrating to Australia; but I do not, and never will, support the current political policy of a multicultural industry which emphasises difference and expects taxpayers to cough up for it.
5. Suggesting that I am a Nazi – the common catchcry of leftists – is total nonsense and completely ignorant. I would have thought that National SOCIALISM would have been more in your line.

You, of course, will stick to your line just as I will to mine. Try ignoring what I say if you don’t like it. That’s what I’ll be doing with you.

PS Islam is a religion, not a culture. Check that with Irfan Yusuf

Leigh,

Despite your ” total ignorance..my poor uneducated friend...how dare you...ridiculous posers like yourself and other ignorant Australians... ignoramuses... too silly... kindergarten immaturity... look even sillier... those of your ilk... ignorant... ridiculous...and arrogant fool” comments - you then accuse ME of “presuming" to take YOU to task just because I disagree with you?

How about including some FACTS in between the insults to back up your immature reactionary opinions.

Mine came from UNESCO reports and research documents written by Japanese professors and sociologists. Yours were obviously scraped from the deep hate-filled recesses of your imagination.
Perhaps you could educate us all about the specifics of why multiculturalism is so inherently dangerous and evil. Tell us how we are so culturally unique from the US, New Zealand, Canada and other English-speaking Western democracies. What are you so frightened of?

On second thought, never mind.

Oh, and the “vague rumours “ about internal racial discrimination in Japan aren’t rumours at all but a serious social problem and make your initial comment about a “sure, secure and peaceful society” ridiculous.

Underneath their veneer of quiet solemnity Japan is a bubbling cauldron of social insecurity about it’s own future in the modern world and political changes are underway to address this.
Every society - whether multicultural, monocultural or multiracial- has it's own internal problems and imperfections, and the illusion of uniformity is only skin deep.

BD, "I simply point out that the 'initiator' in those verses you supplied is God, not man. It is not 'man' calling out for God to destroy and annihiliate, it is God Himaself in the process of judging the world."

Clearly we have a different view on who the instigator was just as we both have a different view to the average muslim about who the instigator of their scriptures was. If a belief that the instigator was god is sufficient for you to excuse that kind of threat against non-believers then why not for muslims?

Why as one who will not have that mark on his forehead should I regard the threat in your scriptures as less threatening than the threats in the Quran?

R0bert