Leigh,

Japan is monocultural?

I looks very Westernised to me but with a few remnants of their former culture retained for ceremonial and traditional purposes.

Leigh: See ya'. Australia: "Love it or leave it". Multiculturalism is one of the most Australian things ever. It is an Aussie characteristic to get on with others.

Every time you post your old National-Party type stuff I am reminded of the time a right-winger went into a shopping centre,walked down to the meat section pulled a hunting knife out of his overalls and started to stab a pork roast - he then took to the check-out and threw it on the bench. The check-out fellow looked him square in the eye and said: "You pork hunt...?" Now was the really a question?

TRTL you actually raise a very important philosophical issue.

When the government is undeniably NOT working in the interests of the people.. it almost becomes incumbent on 'the people' to overthrow it, but.. the point is.. at 'what point'.... who is to judge ? I guess this is one reason why I am adamant that a healthy dose of Christian tradition linked up with Government is not a bad thing as long as it does not favor one tradition over another.

Romans 13 was written in a context of Colonial Power and Roman Tyrrany, but it says "All authority is given by God" etc etc..
Considering this regime was established by 'force' its not a large mental jump from that to saying 'We can change the government by force'. Its an argument, drawing conclusions by way of indirect reasoning, and I would emphasise that the rest of Scripture is need to balance out such an understanding by Christians for sure.

But I believe Cromwell used this kind of reasoning.

I like to toss around these issues because it helps all of our understanding I think.

As was said.. MC and PC are not the same thing to all people. They also have 'degrees' of implementation.
From my point of view, I'm just saying that we should direct all government initiative into nourishing unity rather than division.

I believe that many good policies MC and PC included, lend themselves to the 'megalomaniac' element who uses them as a blunt instrument on other people freedoms.

Its like the furor currently going on in the USA, about a film showing 'family diversity' including gays and lesbians with children and was being shown to 8 yr olds PC gone mad.
Parents were up in arms about it.

PC 'Tolerance' should have limits. One such limit is that we cannot tolerate intolerance or seditious inclinations.

PS... a qualifier for that 'the people should over throw it' .. in a democracy of course this means 'vote them out' :)

But if they implemented something such as Sharia Law.. or Dictatorship of the Proletariat.. where there is no chance EVER to change the government, then the time for war has arrived.
Cheers all

Boazy: "I like to toss around these issues because it helps all of our understanding I think."

I guess that's a reasonable rationalisation, but to many of us your propensity to being a 'tosser' - as exemplified by your posts in this thread - is a little more prosaic :)

"only groups which intend to constitute a new government by force should be outlawed."

Revelation 6:2 - I looked and there before me was a white horse! It's rider held a bow, and he was given a crown, and he rode out as a conqueror bent on conquest.

Revelation 8:7 - The first angel sounded his trumpet, and there came hail and fire mixed with blood, and it was hurled down upon the earth. A third of the earth was burned up, a third of the trees were burned up, and all the green grass was burned up.

Revelation 9:4,5 - They were told not to harm the grass of the earth or any plant or tree, but only those people who did not have the seal of God on their foreheads. They were not given power to kill them, but only to torture them for five months. And the agony they suffered was like that of the sting of a scorpion when it strikes a man.

Revelation 9:15 - And the four angels who had been kept ready for this very hour and day and month and year were released to kill a third of mankind.

Revelation 22:5 - There will be no more night. They will not need the light of a lamp or the light of the sun, for the Lord God will give them light. And they will reign for ever and ever.

Plenty more attrocities throughout this plan of conquest. It certainly constitutes an intent to "constitute a new government by force". Thankfully one overriding theme in the story is that the bulk of people refused to be cowed by an overwhelming show of force and brutality.

BD is right we should outlaw groups who take their direction and inspiration from manifestos of conquest and terror. I've presented a tiny portion of the readily available evidence against one such group.

R0bert