I don't no wat to believe now. Isn't it written 21.06.11 is the day. Now you tell me it aint necessarily so. The credability has taken a hit.

Many have*..taught..that it is so,..and..that..the torments of Hell..are mental..and subjective,..not objective at all.

I said something..of this..to my companion,
and he..replied:.."Both ideas..are in a sense right.

These flames..and this smoke..are created*by the spiritual emanations of/the unhappy beings..who dwell..within that fiery wall,..

To these/astrals,..and to those of..a similar*class..in which the soul-germ *..yet lingers..as like being..*in a prison,..are due*..those rough..and dangerous/manifestations..sometimes..*seen in spirit-circles..(séances),

where men..of bad lives,..and others/..too ignorant to protect themselves,..are assembled..from motives..[of curiosity..vile intent..or mere amusement."]

if only many..could realise the folly..And..the
potential danger..but that is the reasoning..for these quotes...

continue

"And amongst..what class of spirits..do you place those ghouls
and vampires..so firmly*..believed in,..in many parts..of the world?"

"Vampire..*spirits..are those*..who have themselves..known earth life,but have..*so misused it..that their souls..are still imprisoned..in the astral-envelope.

Their object..in sucking away..the animal/life principle..of men..and women..is..in order to retain*thereby..their hold upon..the life of the earth plane,..and so they..hope*..to..save themselves from..sinking to..the far lower spheres.

They are anxious..to cling to their astral-envelope..and..*to prolong its life,just as..men..of very evil lives..upon earth..cling to..the life of the earthly body..

because they fear*..that when they are..separated from it..they will sink into some unknown depths of darkness..and horror...[yet its more..'their'..version..of heaven...with their fellow lovers..of vile[doing their vile..ONLY*..upon each-other]..

but why spoil..the supprise

and these flames..being the coarse/emanations of these degraded spirits,possess for your eyes..an appearance..even more dense..and solid/..than for..the inhabitants themselves."

We now drew near..what appeared*..like..the crater/of a vast volcano--ten thousand Vesuviuses..in one!

Above us..the sky was black as night,..and but for the lurid glare of the flames we should have been in total darkness...

Now that we have reached..the mass of fire..I saw that it was like..a fiery-wall..surrounding the country,..through which*..all who sought to enter*..or leave it..*must pass.

"See now,..Franchezzo,"..said Faithful Friend,.."we are about to pass through..this wall of fire,..but do not/let that alarm you,..for so long as your courage..and your*will..do not fail,..

and you exert..all your..will-power to/..repel these fiery-particles,..they cannot*..come in..actual contact..with your body

"Were any one..of weak will..and timid/soul..to attempt this
they would fail,..and be driven back..by the force of..these flames
which are..propelled outwards

579: Where is it written this date? any links please? Just believe what your heart, soul, and mind tells you. It doesn't matter what others believe. You just believe in yourself, that's is what is important.

I tried to start another thread yesterday but it was rejected as the administrator states it should belong in this thread. Can't even remember exactly what I wrote. I know I did that as I didn't want to get involve with all this discussions here with everyone trying to proof the other person wrong.

Thank you Driver Dan for taking your time in your posting. I really appreciate it. Also thanks to a number of you in this forum for the excellent posts.

DEEP: No response still. Do you not believe in spirits of afterlife? You know about the one cell theory. Even when a life passes, it only goes away physically, back into our planet, back into us. Only physical. Many incidence happens to our lives personally in our past. Whether or not we want to be aware of all the signs and signals of these incidence, depends on our intuition and instincts.

UOG: I reckon you should start working on your book or a great website. Hope all is well.

Cheers and have a great day.. mine sucks :)hahaha.. I don't even know where to go from here, but I will not be broken.

This morning at the pool where we exercise a pleasant man told us about his son. His son has visited Aboriginal settlements and done such good things as combat petrol sniffing and other harmful activities which result from the hopelessness of their lives. His son sounded like an intelligent, dedicated person who was talented musically and in other areas. His son was supported in these activities by Scripture Union, an evangelical organization.

Then he told us that the Aborigines still engaged in Satanic worship. On questioning it appeared that what he called Satanic worship was merely their traditional pre-Christian forms of worship which some of them still practiced. I said that wasn’t Satanic just non-Christian. I told him about Jensen, the archbishop of the Sydney Anglican diocese, who called non-Christian religions, tools of Satan. He said, “I’d agree with that. Jesus said you’re either for me or against me.” I remarked that all Christians did not feel that way. He said there are so-called Christians.

I smelled Jews and other heretics burning.

Apparently these attitudes are consistent with Scripture Union which supplies many of the chaplains to the National School Chaplaincy Program. Those attitudes should not be promoted in the schools. http://highcourtchallenge.com/index.html is the url for Ron Williams lawsuit against government funding for this program.

Philo,

I’ve been through the lack of reliable evidence for Jesus a few times recently (you must’ve missed it all), so I’m not very enthusiastic about boring everyone with it all over again so soon, but here it goes.

<<Josh McDowell has three volumes on the historical evidence of Jesus and the rise of the Christian Church from the first Century.>>

I know, and the evidence and the reasoning contained in those volumes are as poor as that which can be found in the books by Lee Strobels. He also dishonestly uses the same façade as Strobels, painting himself as a sceptic who did some honest and unbiased research and discovered that there really is some reliable evidence for Jesus, when there isn’t.

Obviously I don’t have the time or post allowance here to go into why Josh McDowell’s evidence isn’t evidence, but you can find all his arguments debunked at http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/jeff_lowder/jury/.

<<There is more written evidence for the historical Jesus than for Julius Caesar...>>

That’s probably true if you were to do a word count. But it’s quality, not quantity.

For Julius Caesar, we have contemporary accounts, government records and Caesar’s own writings. We have none of this for Jesus. No contemporary accounts, no writings from Jesus, no carpentry works, no government records of his birth, trial or crucifixion - nothing.

All we have for Jesus are hearsay accounts written decades after the alleged fact. That’s some pretty poor evidence. Particularly for a god who apparently wants a relationship with his creations. What kind of a god requires that his creations check their rational and critical thinking at the door just to get to know him?

<<...so I suppose you also doubt his existence on the same basis.>>

No, because there are no extraordinary claims about Julius Caesar so I’m willing to take it at face value that he did exist.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I rest my case.

Posted by david f, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 10:36:16 AM

" ... I smelled Jews and other heretics burning. ... "

..

Posted by AJ Philips, Wednesday, 10 November 2010 10:40:32 AM

" ... [PHILO]
<<...so I suppose you also doubt his existence on the same basis.>>

No, because there are no extraordinary claims about Julius Caesar so I’m willing to take it at face value that he did exist.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

I rest my case. ... "

I think you'll find that some of the Roman Caesar's, and I suspect that that includes Julius, carried "Demi-God" status but however, I say that not to offer a view one way or the other in regards to the claim of the existence of 1 Jesus of Nazareth however, I would like to add that in the case of say the Ancient Egypytian Pharaoh Akhenaton, their was also an attempt to completely erase him from the history books and he was of course not the only historical figure to be treated thus.