""" I found Raw Mustards effort.
While some very good posters are in exile or the sin bin, we see posts like that.
RM that was needless, surely you can use words better than that, if you must get a point across.
During a recent eruption, here in OLO it was said people dislike the way we talk here in the wild lands of OLO.
I rather think we are more real than the elitist pages, but your post, maybe your selection of a title,reminds me of why I rarely read your efforts. """

As I think of myself as a libertarian, I'm considerate of your free will to ignore my virtual bytes whenever you chose.

But in saying that. I would ask that you at least show me the consideration of explaining the subject matter when you present me with a question.

ok no worries RM you are not a shy person and put your self out there with questions like have I made an idiot of myself yet,, yes.
A post above deleted for swearing, others close to the wind, why the extra effort to, well your words cover it.
Not alone but yes posters who rarely swear are not here for a time,you at least to me seem to find pleasure in dropping the odd unneeded word.

Ah ha, you mean the ALGOReIsAdungBeAtle. Oh I see.

Actually I found it quite amusing it was removed; yet what I would consider more abusive words are allowed to remain, but there you go :)

I hope you also noticed those words were not directed at the person using the handle as a means of political statement? Which is exactly what I have done by renaming his handle with everyone of my replies to him. I'm sorry if it offended you!

Perhaps we should demand the administrators remove all references of those words disguised by hieroglyphs, it's only fair after all, what do you think?

Indeed Raw... I don't really take offense at that kind of thing.
Graham need not delete such things for my sake.. but knowing him..it would be more for his sake :) (ie..OLO)

GILLARD in FABIAN MODE.

We have recently been presented with a classic example of the Fabian Strategy by Julia Gillard.

1/ She KNEW Tony Abbot was planning to visit the troops at a time of his diary entry.

2/ Knowing this, she still put it out that 'he didn't care' about our troops for machievellian,fabian,base, scurrelous political advantage.

3/ She is an excellent 'Fabian' :)

4/ She is BAD for Australia,Democracy and freedom.

Pericles - fair enough, synergy should be the goal. There is a tendency on the part of employer groups to use the old chestnut of the "world owes me a living" line whenever there is talk of change for low income workers.

RawM
"They are born from "extreme capitalism"(corporatism, which is just another name for fascism, ...is only 1/2 a degree from Fabianism which is only 1/2 a degree from socialism) which is allowed to grow and oppress our communities at an astoundingly ever increasing speed and which is actually diminishing jobs, freedom and liberty for all those people you mentioned above."

"...By ever, increasingly growing and creating more public employment, employment that self generates ever increasing government, it's almost become a perpetual motion. It's the road to tyranny...."

Yes, there are too many public servants for the actual services delivered and too many overpaid bureacrats with bonuses they don't deserve as a person who is paid to do their job to the best of their ability.

Not all regulation has the effect of strangulation or oppression but I agree that extremes of the Left/Right perspective have the same outcomes.

What if the power is put back in the hands of the citizens. What if the regulatory framework is decided by the electorate. We decide on what red tape and regulation is positive and what works to the greater benefit and what is obstructive and oppressive.

Why do governments fund sport and arts which are ostensibly hobbies and interests while hospitals and training schemes (until of late) went belly up and essential infrastructure became indadequate.

There are many ways we could work out what it is we want from governments. The free market is not without its problems. Some of the fundamental 'natural safeguards' bestowed on this system are highly overrated and history shows the free market does not work for the great majority - it can and does foster monopolies, corruption and the like. The mafia loves a free market. Just another way of screwing the citizen - so what is the happy medium?

Pelly..this is probably a good place to underline my disgust with the 'big' end of town and it's corporate greed.

The salaries and incentives and bonuses to failed CEO' is a disgrace of the most extreme kind and it makes my blood boil just as much as the same 'salaries and fringe benefits' to UNION leaders.

There was this cockney union boss in the uk interviewed on hard talk and he was mouthing off about 'fat cat bankers'.. and comparing them to the poor worker who get's just $12000 pounds a year..the Interviewer leapt on this with "and how much do YOU get?..isn't it $140,000 pounds"

I think we need strong LAWS to prevent the kind of thuggery which has enabled unfair bargaining and outlandish wage claims based on 'mid concrete pour' work stoppages.
Making Unions accountable for the losses to an employer for such things is a very effective way of stopping it.

But let's ALSO have laws which punish failed CEO's and contracts which seek to avoid such punishment.

ALSO.. for luck.. let's try to get share 'options' parcels for workers which increase (or decrease) in value as the company prospers or fails.