Foxy please return, yes I let it get to me but after all it is simple stuff to rebut, and I should not have lost the fact..
I got that wrong.
Happy with government so far, waiting for Bill Shorten to be let free he is our future.
WARNING however he too may change his mind good politicians dump bad ideas, Bill will not have as many silly ones but he is people driven.

Anyone who can't readily see that there's back flips, broken promises, mistakes and dishonesty on b o t h sides of the political fence abrogates their right to be taken seriously.

Hence, I can't possibly take Shadow Minister's views expressed on this thread seriously. Neither should anyone else.

Rudy while your post is true this was no deliberate lie, back flip or betrayal.
It was not deceit not a planned move, Julia Gillard meant what she said, BUT.
See I am ALP, within an hour of her becoming leader I spoke of not trusting her, I never will.
She however will govern well.
And in time fall to the same sword Rudd did.
It may very well be her who changed Labor policy in this area.
She most probably even now does not want an ETS.
But in negotiations to govern, with greens and independents help, she was forced to change her mind.
To in fact return to ALP and once Liberal and once Abbott's policy's.
On this issue both sides are guilty of mind twisting changes.
So if those who have not sinned in this area throw the first stone no stones need fear being moved.
That sums up my view the thread is pure confrontation and badly betrays balance.

I think Gillard's word is worth absolutely everything. If a prime minister is so stuck with rigidity that he/she can't make changes due to differing circumstances then that prime minister would be utterly irresponsible and unworthy of the job.

I agree Tboy, the thread got hot,it was one of a whole lot that drifted away from my view of civility and ,well honest debate.
In reinventing myself I stayed on this site, maybe the reinvention can be best described as not taking the bait, but high lighting truth.
But we seem to have lost,hopefully only for a time, our heart and sole,good posters.
I found yesterday,in another forum [still searching for old Friends] these rules and explanations
If you defame another poster you will be barred,if you return insults you will be barred.
Of much more interest the explanation said such behavior was that forums greatest problem.
In time we will see another attempt at reinventing ones self from Mr Tony Abbott,he however has peaked he never again will get the high opinion poll results he once had.
Baiting? no just truth Turnbull will lead conservatives again.

Tboy,

Perhaps you would illuminate us on what conditions have changed since JG made these promises?

Did she say I'll try not to impose a carbon tax, or did she promise.

Is setting up a committee whose pre conditions are that a carbon tax is necessary and will be imposed trying to meet her promises in any way or form?

As a Labor supporter, promises are only made to get votes, and are never considered thereafter. Just look at Rudd.