ok I am critical of this thread, its title, its intent, and that few will read this post because the thread sends more away than it attracts .
But I wish to do what I should have ,the post after Shadow Minister first posted it.
In the last Parliament, for a while, both party's agreed to and ETS both party's dumped that policy.
Conservatives dumped their leader,the new one dumped his own stated policy, how can we ignore that?
Labor in deserting its election promises,dumped its supporters.
Abbott for no lessor reasons than Gillard changed his mind, his known policy's in the name of? ambition.
Strange but consider ,if Turnbull had lead during the election can any understanding politician not know? Conservatives would be in government today?
Not my wish, just reality.
The not Abbott not at any price had an impact.
The NSW seat of Robinson surely had to fall?
Yet Sydney bound train travelers received a not Abbott sheet on leaving Gosford and the center unity from NSW ALP did the impossible.
Reality, honesty, understanding , tells me this thread title is insulting[so be it sticks and stones] selective of truth, ignores Conservatives mind changes.
next the greens

Greens lets look at them, they are not my party, a mate from OLO currently in the sin bin C J Morgan dislikes my views on them.
But are they as decribed here? are those who vote for them criminal?
I in truth say I fear them some times.
But how do we claim their voters do not matter.
Yes greens and Labor work together,Nationals have for generations [ever since Black Jack John Mq quern stopped leading them] been a slave to Liberals not caring about the bush, it is true, why are the greens worse.
And the independents why have them? voters put them there!
Do we claim they can no longer be what they got elected? independents?
RO won the seat of the once deputy prime minister that electorate returned him not a national.
GREENS yes at one stage with the help of conservative who crossed the floor in the upper House they had the power to install an ETS.
They wanted more, too much,I forever will remind them they let Australia down.
But both conservatives and Labor lost voters to them this time,I understand the increased vote for conservatives remember I think more would have come if Turnbull lead.
My approach to the future posting of biased one eyed slanted fox like stuff will be as in these two posts.
Is OLO to be a place of debate? who knows

Foxy,

Irrespective of the various peripheral reasons behind the Rhodes scholarship, the prime metric is academic excellence.

I also usually very seldom directly call people names, so your pot calling the kettle black analogy is not applicable.

TA surprised me, I was expecting emotive attacks, but the carefully crafted wedges he set up, and the skilfully deployed traps that Rudd fell into, all whilst reigning in the party to a more disciplined cohesive party, was not just brilliant strategy, but skilful management. The result was a turnaround that took the coalition from virtual obscurity to almost in the driver's seat.

If TA was an idiot, Rudd would presently be PM with an increased majority. Instead we have JG trying to steer legislation through the parliament with a "rainbow coalition" of independents from all over the political spectrum with the slimmest of a majority.

JG made a tactical error when she claimed that TA's word was worth absolutely nothing, because as soon as she back flipped on an election promise, she set herself up as a hypocrite. While I personally believe that climate change needs to be addressed, a price on carbon without realistic alternatives to coal generation, will raise energy prices significantly without significant emission reductions. The electricity prices are already sky rocketing, and this combined with JG's duplicity will be electoral poison that TA is going to feed to labor regularly.

In order to develop coherent policy, one cannot develop policy based on day by day polls. Given that it is usually the incumbent party that gets to choose the election date, there is a grace period of about 2 years where the government gets to implement legislation free of public opinion. However, when Labor is languishing sufficiently in the polls, TA will likely trigger a no confidence vote. Given that , JG will have no option but to manage policy by the polls with the inevitable disasters.

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Congates Shadow Minister one of your better posts.
However I admire your ability to skip over the facts, well done.
Abbott once supported the ETS we agree on that do we not.
He once supported his leader Turnbull ok so far.
NONE not one of us prior to the election guessed it would be that close, a hung Parliament.
To govern Abbott or Gillard would surely have to deal with? well we know what you think of them.
Now arm up her back, it very well could have been Abbott, she is finally, at last keeping Labors 2007 promise, IF THE INDEPENDENTS AND GREENS LET HER.
Now we have it seems had an invasion of sock puppets, wrong always, I undertake not to be baited ,but will not let these confrontational threads go unchallenged.
In time soon, conservatives trawling sorry half true claims will come to understand this thread insults Australian voters ability to think for them selves.
And may I please request, given your failure to post a thread telling us of your sides failures you never again tell me I am biased or one eyed.

Belly,

No matter how you duck and dive, both Julia Gillard and Tony Abbott personally promised that there would be no carbon price for the next electoral period.

Kevin Rudd's promises of 2007 are not Julia Gillard's promises of 2010.

And a cabinet member is required to follow the party line, for example as Julia Gillard did until June 20.