I have given my side a bit of a wack, every bit earned.
If we look at NSW, we must do that, we can see just how bad my party can go.
You would not believe the pressure being put on me to stop telling the story of betrayal, slackness of this part of my party.
Constant reminds of the incoming government, but they are believe me,the incoming government.
I see true Aussies every day, to think we can turn them, to think I can vote for my party after a few fear filled words is an insult.
I can not avoid saying they could not win a raffle and only in a few in past Howard government have I seen the equal to the self serving criminal acts of some truly low people infesting my party like worms.
I underline the power behind unions is the members only our best should enter the house and that power,, the members must be respected.

ALL, every thing, I have said about my ALP is true.
Yet against Abbott and his split party, they shine.
So very much brighter.
Tony Abbott is intent on proving me right, he will never lead this country.
In rebuilding my party much of the work has been done, by the electorate.
We will not make those mistakes again.
NSW? well I will not back away from my love of center unity my home in the party.
To return it and the party to its people we must have the wipe out coming.
Last time why no Conservative views on what may have been done better.
Plenty are willing to tell of my sides faults.
Show me, please one conservative poster who so often takes the stick to his/her party.
Look at my history and wonder how so many true can charge me with being one eyed or biased.
NO INTEGRITY Indy said.
Tell me conservatives not what you thought of Rudd's sorry speech but look find a read Brendan Nelsons, tell me that document both speech's live in history forever, are you pleased with Nelsons.
rechtub, SM, Hasbeen, Indy, so many of you could have done much better.
Am I by the failure to respond to my challenge to start a thread asking questions of Abbott's mob to understand conservatives never get it wrong?

conservatives never get it wrong,
Belly,
I can't recall seeing a post that says conservatives don't get it wrong. No-one's saying that. What those who can see ahead are saying is that Labor doesn't get it right. Why not ? Because they're not on the same wavelength as your everyday person. Just look at the past 4 decades.
Whitlam's outfit got it wrong, Hawke did nothing, Keating achieved a downgrade to Banana Republic state of affairs & Rudd is already in the history books as the most incompetent of the lot. He is a nice bloke but unfortunately that's not enough. Julia Gillard simply can't do any better given her professional background.

Individual, I do not dislike you, do not seek to offend you, but do not look to you for balanced thoughts on politics.
Not understanding, not unbiased opinion and not for new thoughts on the future of politics in Australia.
The other forum I once inhabited, had as a by word tell us what you really think, wonder if it blindness? some can have only
An ability to find faults in my side, some that do not exist, but a blindness to things like. concerns about your side.
fair enough, but are we to debate issues,explore them talk about them or just watch what we say so we keep within boundary's?
This forum has had some very questionable posters, some who stray from reality,we have seen posts that do not mean a lot, the fact we see them uncensored is a plus.
You Indy have charged me, often,with being blind lacking integrity and much more, no offense taken.
But give me a reason to believe you are a balanced thinking poster,tell me I should contain My views of any poster who throws verbal stones at me and my party, who is locked in to an idea that only their views matter.
Tell me to see no response to my request for debate on conservative problems has been because conservatives get it right every time.
This country needs to leave the past behind,learn from it but understand we no longer fight a class war.
Indy do you know an outcome of this election is I Have had to eat humble pie, excepted,but I feel the weight of a much worse thing.
I truly believe I must aviod some who post here ,post some awful rubbish, that it is safer to avoid them.
I am not alone, want no refuge in a leftist forum, but feel [I know I am combative] restriction wasn't there once, you and I are not going to be able to continue to talk, there is no give in you, no understanding one sides not always right.
I however am sure we could get along in real life

ok thread did its job, I got to say what I said I would during the election.
And why would I do so?
I require constant improvement and change if needed from my party.
Better candidates, and quick removal of the wrong ones.
I believe IN FREE DISCUSSION.
True debate intrusive debate fact finding debate about politics.
Freedom to hold views others do not is every ones right.
NO FREEDOM can exist if this right is challenged.
And I have no wish to inhabit a forum that is one sided that has no room for open honest debate.
Leftist ones are like that it in my view is worthless being confined to unthinking follow the leader conversations.
I had intended to post a thread about Labors first term achievements we had some, but no conservative wanted to talk about failures in their camp.
The heat made by the election, the anger, has bought me to ask this question.
Can we still debate politics here?
Am I blind? I truly think we have had a wound inflicted on us here in this forum, not the rather silly thread titles.
Not the one eyed bias, near rabid confrontational posts but I am unsure I can feel safe to state this simple thing.
A couple, no more can post as they wish but some must tread like we walk on broken glass?
I may get kicked out I may just leave but while I stay my eyes will not stray in to some politics threads.
I feel restrictions are in place here.
I however keep my word if I go I still think apart from shrapnel damage from the election this is the best site in our country.
And forever, think the ALP is outstandingly better than those conservatives strangling the Liberal party.
Turnbull will fix that.

Belly,
I don't know what you perceive as integrity but from my viewpoint Labor has a record of telling people it is a party for working people but run by academics. Obviously you think that makes sense.
I fail to see how %100 increases in registration fees, a corrupt public service, selling out to overseas interest, a dumbing down of education etc etc can possibly have any connection with integrity ?
Can you tell us more than one ALP policy in the past 40 years which did not negatively impact on more people than less ?
Maybe you are fortunate but I can tell you I have always copped crap whenever Labor got into power. So far as I'm aware the conservatives did not force amalgamation, they did not all but ruin many indigenous communities, they did not make indigenous communities a dumping ground for excess southern bureaucrats, they did not sell off public housing only to rent it back at several times the cost thus driving the rents up a %1000. Just look at some of those utterly idiotic environmental regulations. The list goes on.
It would take a lot more for me to accept that Labor is a party of people concerned about Australia's future.