I understand the thread will have visitors who think every thing was a mistake.
Lets look past that.
In time I will try thread asking what they got right.
But fellow travelers, those who voted Labor or did not because of failures tell us about those failures.
We never got a hint Rudd was not sharing his job, who truly understood the gang of 4?
Why did they back down on ETS?
Why no DD election?
How could we be both so well liked and rejected in the one term.
Full of promise then full of something far different the ALP won only by a breath and only because Abbott lead the opposition not Turnbull.
We held the federal seat of Robinson, one that was given up a year ago but lost safe ones?

Belly I'll take you at your word, & give you my true feelings.

To start with, get off the Turnbull thing. You are wrong about him. He would make a good Labor leader, better than Gillard, but is not a Liberal, & will never be accepted by enough of them. That is why all you Labor lot like him.

I picked Rudd for what he is, when he first started undermining Beasley. When ever I see him I feel dirty, & know I'm being slimmed by a con man. I could see that he had the technique to con a lot of decent Ozzies, & disliked him for doing that

Nothing he has done, [or is doing now] was to do anything but further his UN ambitions. He never believed in an ETS, it was his passport to the UN, After Copenhagen it was no further use to him.

He was also smart enough to know that a DD election campaign on the ETS would expose much of the BS about global warming, now partially accepted, & he would probably loose.

Many were embarrassed at accepting the handouts, knowing it was wrong. One bloke said that he would like to send it back, but if we were going to throw billions at boat people, to buy the bleeding heart/academic vote, he'd better grab his bit before it was all gone. Many believe something similar.

His micromanagement style exposed his huge ego. His many failures displayed his lack of savvy.

For what ever reason it was done, all the failures in the stimulus package leave a bad smell.

It wasn't the ETS directly that cost you under Rudd, it was that his response allowed people to see through him at last. I was as surprised as anyone at the speed of it's happening.

I was prepared to give Gillard a go, but have found her to be both incompetent, & a thoroughly unpleasant person to boot. She is as much a con act as Rudd, just not as cunning, so not as good at it.

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I wish you would get someone like Beasley, or Hayden to lead you again. These were people I could respect, admire, & vote for. Why you have to have these people with a nasty streak I really don't know.

It is too late now, you have Gillard, & that is probably that for some time. I really would love to have her prove me wrong about her, but with every passing day that appears more unlikely.

The biggest mistake was Rudd not calling a double dissolution election soon after Tony Abbott was made opposition leader because of a fear that the greens and the independents would have a chance to gain more power. Rather ironic given the election result we have just had.

Labor also put the boot into many of its own with things like the cigarette tax, the internet filter and the shame and humiliate card amongst others. To hand out billions to the fat cats then put up the price of the working mans durries to pay it back is sickening to many people. If they really cared about peoples health they would put nicotine patches etc on the PBS. It was just a cash grab the same as the mining tax. That the miners got their tax reduced just shows where the Labor parties current sympathies lie.

Like Obummer in the US the Labor party has been sucking up to the wealthy and powerful in the hope that they will cut them some slack. But as Fux news and the Asstralian have shown there is nothing that the left can do that will reduce the hate and bile spewed by the right wing. Better that Labor just ignore the tory chattering and get on with governing in the interests of those Australians who support them and ignore(and if possible)marginalise the naysayers, smearers and destroyers of the Liberal party.

Hasbeen there will be other threads for confrontation I would like however this one to lift the carpet and see the dirt under it.
Well ok, for you, 65 years of age last Friday my life has been one of wanting better from both sides of politics.
I have searched for a Labor leader like the one Rudd appeared to be.
Latham even looked for the briefest Milli second to be him.
Gillard is not that person, but she will govern well, Bill Shorten is no faceless man he is the leader I have waited for.
I want a labor government that implements true reforms, to tax welfare to migration policy to sustainable living to new fuels.
I want one with the guts to bring Nuclear power to the front.
I can not exclude some conservative implementations have been ok.
But your party's profile the faces of Pyne Bishop, both of them and Abbott the real bloke? we told our kids of the boggy man these people repel me.
Turnbull is the man who one day will reclaim your party's middle ground

My post history has led some to think I am a party insider, not near true.
But I do go to functions sit at the other end,the union end ,away from the young self promoters who flock like pidgins to spilled grain at the feet of the power brokers.
Know I do not EVER want a union controlled ALP.
But in NSW we are the voiceless men, these ladder climbers in our first term forgot the roots of the ALP.
How truly awful, to get us up with a promise of so much and deliver so little.
ETS mining tax not even thought out it is so hard for Labor to win elections why tax so hard?
Gang of 4? what about us those who stood out side the poll ignoring idiotic sms telling us to become robotic in saying only what we had been told?
ALP remember we are not the greens they use us much more than we use them.
They have no power without us,lets not give them our heart our very reason to exist.

Reading this post, I get the impression that you feel that the ALP's failings were tactical, ie. poor timing etc.

While a DD election in the beginning of the year might have yielded a better electoral result in the short term, the failure of the implementation of its policies, the launching of policies without warning or consultation on the public and business, and the unremitting spin and "poly speak" were the roots of the collapse in voter support.

To win back voter support, the government has to do something worthwhile and do it well. This is the time to focus on what is right, not just what is popular, and get professionals to implement it, not bureaucrats.

There was a large number of people like me, who have traditionally voted Labor, but simply chose not to participate. The reason was simple: I don't trust the current crop of Labor politicians to act honestly and openly and in the best interests of the country. The ALP today is a poor shadow of the Party that arose from the courage of the men and women who took part in the great shearer's strike. It's owned by self-serving lawyers and political hacks, not by working people. The rhetoric is no more than spin and the policies are thinly disguised efforts to pay off sectional supporters, not genuine attempts to create a better society for all.

The ALP has become the party of professional feminists, not the party of workers. In the process it has abandoned the millions of ordinary men who once supported it and who still make up 90% of the blue-collar workers in this country. Many of those men will never see their kids thanks to ALP-initiated Family Law and will be forced onto the dole by the ALP-initiated CSA. It has taken the support of working men like me for granted, while desperately chasing the vote of middle-class women, who seem easily bought off with handouts.

Hi Belly,
There was great hope when Rudd was elected and initially they appeared to be headed in the right direction. When the problems started (those being the Batts and BER) it was not that costs were blown out or the routers had moved in that disturbed me as this happens to all government programs, it was the communication failures within the government. It became obvious that though Peter Garrett was clearly not a very good minister he was also not being listened to. In the end it became endemic for the party with Rudd bunkered down not listening not acting, simply paralyzed.
Gillards' move was needed for everyone and simply didn't happen early enough. We should have realised when Rudd shelved the ETS that he was pouting because he couldn't get his own way. That's politics and as i have previously said absolute power cost Howard government. Once the collapse began it was catastrophic, the party lay in ruins with no one it would see with the ability to take on Abbott. Abbott was being rude, abusive and in the end misleading to the electorate, but it worked a treat. Somehow labor failed to discredit him and sell their achievements.
Most of what labor did in their first term was good, they even showed a little vision despite the doom sayers like SM and Hasbeen that lack any sign of objectivity yelling like their beloved Abbott. The labor party failed to sell it'self and it's programs. They should have stood firm on the ETS even though it wasn't going to pass. The greatest pain was that as Rudd sank he made some stupid moves like the super profits tax. Even though the doom sayers are all downing it, it was the mining industry that wanted it, Rudd had only to consult and negotiate and it could have been another great winner with all, but instead Julia negotiated the outcome and appeared to be desperate to settle the dispute.

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The new Parlement is good, lets embrace the opportunities that we have now. We all know after the next election one of the majors will have a majority again so use now for social change, reform and some rebalancing. It is the time for the Greens to prove themselves or be destroyed. Be positive all situations offer opportunities let's embrace them.
I tend to agree with the others about Turnball, he would probably be a good leader but not a liberal. Most likely would have made a great democrate back in the Don Chipp days. Any how what has passed has passed Belly, and now labor must show they can deliver what they say they will and not fail in administering their programs. They have that chance now so we will all see soon enough.

It is laughable that you think that *not* imposing a carbon tax was a mistake! What do you think would have been the result if Labor had increased the price of all goods and services, affecting the poorest worst, to enrich the big end of town, setting up a whole industry selling tax receipts, trying to control the balance of oxidation and reduction of all the carbon in the world, to solve a problem to which, if it exists at all, Australia's response has been made irrelevant by Copenhagen? Labor would have been returned in a landslide I suppose? That is real cloud-cuckoo land stuff.

Peter Hume and a few others should consider this.
Each of us has a right to their thoughts and ideas.
And EVERY ONE of us gets it wrong.
My view we needed an ETS that Labor promised it, won votes by that commitment is three questions.
While you and I Peter may swap views more people want an ETS than do not.
I stand firmly by my view Labor did not keep is promises.
Rudd fell from a high place, he was a man we liked ,but took his personal polling to heart.
Thought he could break his promises, that my party was his to do as he wished.
I do understand SOME school improvements cost too much, I know dead people got that nine hundred dollars, and people who had not lived here for decades.
But the public servants had much more to do with that than ministers.
Rudd, Gillard,,, do not fall for the pro union stance she claims did not listen to claims truth, that contractors doing the pink bats acted like criminals.
Do not for a second think I am walking away from Labor I am however reminding them we must not see these things happen again.
I could write posts about conservative failures but hope some extremely vocal poster from that side will start such a thread.
Any one who can not find fault in his/her side of politics is too easily pleased and kills constant improvement.
A postscript.
It is my view the actions of extremist trade unions harms ALL unions even within the ALP this is blindness great differences exist and that very strange group asked its members to vote green?

Hasbeen wrote of the Prime Minister, "a thoroughly unpleasant person to boot".

You're sooooo right HB. And Tony Abbott is just so sweet, And Joe Hockey never loses his temper in parliament, and Christopher Pyne is surely no yelping drama queen on the floor of the House, and dear old Bronnie Bishop is as lovable as my dear granny.

Jockey I am unsure if you and I can rebut statements like Hasbeens and that other poster we clash with.
A deep growing bitterness is on display here.
Conservatives did very well but they will not except Labor got the chair.
can we take on such biased statements? our leader being named a shrew, seeing references to her sleeping her way to the top?
I have been here from about 2004.
It is a great place?
But I am beginning to get the feeling if I wanted to post a thread saying Abbott is a rat bag it would not happen.
Get thee Jockey to the post history of our fine conservative posters see those balanced threads.
Today posters believe me, I see what may grow to be a threat to my country.
We once copped it on the chin once said ok but we will win next time.
Are we now to show great bitterness and not except the result?
THIS THREAD HIGHLIGHTS FAILURES IN MY SIDE
Hasbeens view of Gillard is one mans pain being expressed as fact.
I have no problems with that but protest needless prodding

Belly, I know you won't believe me when I say, I am not a Liberal supporter.

I have no real feeling about Abbott. I started to switch off during the campaign. I was happy Rudd had gone, & didn't care too much who replaced him. How many wins can a bloke expect?

Gillard started to loose me when she kept dodging any meaningful commitment to anything. The fact that Abbott at least said he would do a couple of things, & stop a couple of others finally won my vote, but only just.

If he had won, I could very easily have found him, after the fact, as distasteful as I now find Gillard. I certainly would put no effort in trying to promote him. It is only observing Gillard as the new PM that has caused me to think really poorly of her.

I can think of no one in politics I would like to see as PM at this moment, which is not a very pleasant feeling. I can see a few I would hate to have in the job. One is Gillard, & Turnbull is another.

In retrospect, if I look at all the PMs that have held the job in my time, the only one I'd like to have back is Howard. Do with that what ever you must, but I can't think of another I would like to have back, & most definitely none of the other Liberals.

Even I'm not old enough to have a memory of Menzies as PM, but with what I have learnt of him since, I think I would have found him an insufferable stuffed shirt, of little use.

Hasbeen again I will divert the thread to talk to you and antiseptic.
Let me say,sure you both will agree,Australians, a great number of them do not understand politics.
Liberal/Labor/Greens/ Nationals/ or the truly lost family first, any party.
Voters want different things than the party they vote for promise.
And more often than not hold that party to task for not doing some thing they never promised to.
Anti you have point BUT do you know why Labor bought those laws in?[ got it wrong in places]
Do you know of cases that saw kids flogged and in fear of visiting dad?
I do, my job takes me a few times a year to court to help a dad get to see his kids, my brother lost his and dreams of one day seeing them, his wife have no doubt acted as criminal as any one ever did.
I hasbeen liked Rudd still do in his roll but he is the doctor death who both raised then killed a QLD government.
Gillard can not be trusted but Abbott is even worse.
I TRUE, think Gillard will lead well, then fall to the same sword as Rudd.
NO ONE should expect their party to be great or even good all the time.
The conservatives face ,both Bishops Pyne Abbott Minchin repel me.
I see another true Liberalism in waiting Turnbull will lead it ,it will challenge my mobs right to their land we took from them.
Lastly I make no apology for Labor evolving ,for our move to the right, now it, never is possible for a party anchored in the dead ground of the past to win
Just as the Republican style movement in conservatives in this country is a dead end.
Come my Labor Friends consider this, did we want to be controlled by the greens, does Australia?
Can we manage this Parliament all the time? no but we can make progress do not let your selves be blinded by those who can not except the result of this election.

Governments of all political persuasion & Labor in particular do not make mistakes, they exercise their incompetence.

Belly, the ALP introduced the Family Law Act in 1975, It has been responsible for more pain and suffering than any other single piece of legislation this country has seen. The motivation may have been good but the product was very badly flawed, requiring a complete re-write and Commission of Inquiry to do so. Sadly, the ALP under Hawke and Keating didn't have the guts to do that, but left it to the Howard Govt. The reason, of course, is that the ALP is dominated by feminist ideologues flooding in from the white collar unions and their hangers-on.

The CSA targets your members, Belly; blokes who work their bum off in the rain and the cold and the heat, as you have eloquently described so often. If they do a bit of O/T, there's the CSA with its hand in their pocket. If they decide to go and work in the bush for the bucks on offer, guess which Agency is first in line at the pay office, before they pay any bills or buy a beer with their hard-earned?

There are now 2 generations of Australians who have had to deal with the inequities of those 2 great legislative failures. To top it all off, we watched as an elected male PM was toppled in a bloodless backroom coup by a woman, then we were asked to vote for her. At the same time, the ALP was advancing a policy to increae funding to the CSA. Is it any wonder record numbers simply refused to play the game?

The ALP should not forget that the middle-class women they think they represent are only Labor voters for the freebies - their vote is for sale and will go to the highest bidder.

""" While you and I Peter may swap views more people want an ETS than do not. """

What a load of GloBullDust. What planet do these fictitious people live on?

I've yet to meet one when told plainly their energy bill and everything else is going to increase immensely more than it already has. If like the GST, The ETS was explained honestly to the public (Which it has not) You wouldn't even have got the votes you did!

Bring it on I say, and watch the people skewer you when they start losing their homes and way of life! The Show will be a bonza; off with their heads will be the cry!

Sorry RM your description best serves to describe your post fact is numbers prove my point.
Anti I know the truth in your statement, hold my party responsible.
But single issue is no way to elect a government.
I note with true honest surprise no conservative has stated a thread to highlight their miss deeds.
Without thinking I can highlight a dozen.
Rudd's sorry speech nearly made me cry.
Nelsons in reply did!
The very worst opposition leaders speech ever.
I again ask, are conservative full of one sided bias? can you not tell us what you think you got wrong.
My ALP is the government face it, it is unlikely Abbott can stop his confrontational ways.
Right now today, we may be seeing the ALP beginning a climb back, after all they can hardly not improve on the last twelve months.
if so we will look back and ask so close and yet so far what went wrong for Abbott why?

Rudd's sorry speech nearly made me cry.
Nelsons in reply did!
The very worst opposition leaders speech ever.
Belly,
don't you have any sense of integrity ?

""" But single issue is no way to elect a government."""

It is when that single issue is the biggest fraud ever perpetuated on humankind in history! And the effects of will be paralysing and lasting for ever, over a LIE!

MannMadeGloBullWarming is a huge scam perpetuated by your own buddies, why should we pay a huge tax on it? It scared the willies out of simple people and still is, not that the GloBullMedia would tell you that!

Oh sorry is "Climate Change" now, err wait no - it's Climate Disruption" now, ah hmmm have I got it right yet?

Again here in this thread I face questions about my beliefs.
Individual are you aware of this threads title,and the fact I am welded on ALP
Doctor Brendon Nelson spoke on the historic day in offensive terms.
He very well knew he was making history, should have understood the importance of that day.
Read his speech, understand many on your side, felt pain at his words.
RM no purpose to be served in communicating.
I Wonder, may I do that?
Why my truly held views are met with concerns I post other than I think, am unaware of true events,
Of most interest this forum is tilting right,I got that wrong too.
Why surely some can find things conservatives got wrong? has no one posted about them.
Indy let me say this your references to my bias only highlights that you can not except others opinions.

The ALP this term and others too got its relationship with the union movement wrong.
In making a National system, one we needed for a very long time they overlooked the complex nature of todays unions.
The national OHXS policy's took rights some states workers had fought so very hard for, for half a century away.
Replacing them with inferior ones.
See it may get me in trouble but it is true some unions do as much harm as good, I see this every day.
Even most horrible agreements turning casuals into slaves taking nearly two hundred dollars a week from them.
That union is from the left.
Labor has some fine ex unionists in the house, but it also has slugs who do not care about workers rights or unions.
Only the best, those who will contribute well, from the union movement should get a seat.
Labor should not bend for unions but not forget us ,I will be unionist long after I am not labor if that ever happens.
Things like basic health and safety at work should not be crippled by concerns about costs.

I have given my side a bit of a wack, every bit earned.
If we look at NSW, we must do that, we can see just how bad my party can go.
You would not believe the pressure being put on me to stop telling the story of betrayal, slackness of this part of my party.
Constant reminds of the incoming government, but they are believe me,the incoming government.
I see true Aussies every day, to think we can turn them, to think I can vote for my party after a few fear filled words is an insult.
I can not avoid saying they could not win a raffle and only in a few in past Howard government have I seen the equal to the self serving criminal acts of some truly low people infesting my party like worms.
I underline the power behind unions is the members only our best should enter the house and that power,, the members must be respected.

ALL, every thing, I have said about my ALP is true.
Yet against Abbott and his split party, they shine.
So very much brighter.
Tony Abbott is intent on proving me right, he will never lead this country.
In rebuilding my party much of the work has been done, by the electorate.
We will not make those mistakes again.
NSW? well I will not back away from my love of center unity my home in the party.
To return it and the party to its people we must have the wipe out coming.
Last time why no Conservative views on what may have been done better.
Plenty are willing to tell of my sides faults.
Show me, please one conservative poster who so often takes the stick to his/her party.
Look at my history and wonder how so many true can charge me with being one eyed or biased.
NO INTEGRITY Indy said.
Tell me conservatives not what you thought of Rudd's sorry speech but look find a read Brendan Nelsons, tell me that document both speech's live in history forever, are you pleased with Nelsons.
rechtub, SM, Hasbeen, Indy, so many of you could have done much better.
Am I by the failure to respond to my challenge to start a thread asking questions of Abbott's mob to understand conservatives never get it wrong?

conservatives never get it wrong,
Belly,
I can't recall seeing a post that says conservatives don't get it wrong. No-one's saying that. What those who can see ahead are saying is that Labor doesn't get it right. Why not ? Because they're not on the same wavelength as your everyday person. Just look at the past 4 decades.
Whitlam's outfit got it wrong, Hawke did nothing, Keating achieved a downgrade to Banana Republic state of affairs & Rudd is already in the history books as the most incompetent of the lot. He is a nice bloke but unfortunately that's not enough. Julia Gillard simply can't do any better given her professional background.

Individual, I do not dislike you, do not seek to offend you, but do not look to you for balanced thoughts on politics.
Not understanding, not unbiased opinion and not for new thoughts on the future of politics in Australia.
The other forum I once inhabited, had as a by word tell us what you really think, wonder if it blindness? some can have only
An ability to find faults in my side, some that do not exist, but a blindness to things like. concerns about your side.
fair enough, but are we to debate issues,explore them talk about them or just watch what we say so we keep within boundary's?
This forum has had some very questionable posters, some who stray from reality,we have seen posts that do not mean a lot, the fact we see them uncensored is a plus.
You Indy have charged me, often,with being blind lacking integrity and much more, no offense taken.
But give me a reason to believe you are a balanced thinking poster,tell me I should contain My views of any poster who throws verbal stones at me and my party, who is locked in to an idea that only their views matter.
Tell me to see no response to my request for debate on conservative problems has been because conservatives get it right every time.
This country needs to leave the past behind,learn from it but understand we no longer fight a class war.
Indy do you know an outcome of this election is I Have had to eat humble pie, excepted,but I feel the weight of a much worse thing.
I truly believe I must aviod some who post here ,post some awful rubbish, that it is safer to avoid them.
I am not alone, want no refuge in a leftist forum, but feel [I know I am combative] restriction wasn't there once, you and I are not going to be able to continue to talk, there is no give in you, no understanding one sides not always right.
I however am sure we could get along in real life

ok thread did its job, I got to say what I said I would during the election.
And why would I do so?
I require constant improvement and change if needed from my party.
Better candidates, and quick removal of the wrong ones.
I believe IN FREE DISCUSSION.
True debate intrusive debate fact finding debate about politics.
Freedom to hold views others do not is every ones right.
NO FREEDOM can exist if this right is challenged.
And I have no wish to inhabit a forum that is one sided that has no room for open honest debate.
Leftist ones are like that it in my view is worthless being confined to unthinking follow the leader conversations.
I had intended to post a thread about Labors first term achievements we had some, but no conservative wanted to talk about failures in their camp.
The heat made by the election, the anger, has bought me to ask this question.
Can we still debate politics here?
Am I blind? I truly think we have had a wound inflicted on us here in this forum, not the rather silly thread titles.
Not the one eyed bias, near rabid confrontational posts but I am unsure I can feel safe to state this simple thing.
A couple, no more can post as they wish but some must tread like we walk on broken glass?
I may get kicked out I may just leave but while I stay my eyes will not stray in to some politics threads.
I feel restrictions are in place here.
I however keep my word if I go I still think apart from shrapnel damage from the election this is the best site in our country.
And forever, think the ALP is outstandingly better than those conservatives strangling the Liberal party.
Turnbull will fix that.

Belly,
I don't know what you perceive as integrity but from my viewpoint Labor has a record of telling people it is a party for working people but run by academics. Obviously you think that makes sense.
I fail to see how %100 increases in registration fees, a corrupt public service, selling out to overseas interest, a dumbing down of education etc etc can possibly have any connection with integrity ?
Can you tell us more than one ALP policy in the past 40 years which did not negatively impact on more people than less ?
Maybe you are fortunate but I can tell you I have always copped crap whenever Labor got into power. So far as I'm aware the conservatives did not force amalgamation, they did not all but ruin many indigenous communities, they did not make indigenous communities a dumping ground for excess southern bureaucrats, they did not sell off public housing only to rent it back at several times the cost thus driving the rents up a %1000. Just look at some of those utterly idiotic environmental regulations. The list goes on.
It would take a lot more for me to accept that Labor is a party of people concerned about Australia's future.

I will not post again in this thread.
I could rebut you individual, but why bother?
I would like truly,to know who shadow minister is.
And for you to understand your type of government ,conservatives only, is dictatorship.
I will not bend, not change my mind, I see a bitter bias here.
Unless I am blind the two PP is swinging to Labor in todays press.
I no longer believe we are meant to talk openly about politics here, so I will not try.
I am still reading such threads but showing self control in ignoring the baits.
I claim VICTORY,,, no conservative not one has found a fault in your side, not one.
Tell me only Labor gets it wrong.
Be free Indy to be a one team player right or wrong, to defame every action of the ALP.
But true honest debate, open unchallenged right to be different is not worth the conflicts we have seen here of late.
one day we may find out who shadow minister is I feel questions will then be answered
See you on the next non political thread,may start one soon
My work is all in front of me it is apparent from this forum only the ALP is ever wrong, or is it?tell me how wrong I am in a few months.

Rudd (and Howard) both spent so much time travelling round the world trying to run other countries that they did not have time to sort out the problems we have in Australia.
It is time to have some travel restrictions on our pollies so they can devote more time to running this country.

Peace

After reading your post I thought that Labor have the mix of responsibilities about right. Rudd is doing what he does best, he is a diplomat of excellence and we do need to keep Australia in open and easy communication with other nations.

Julia's strength is in negotiation and communication and has so far demonstrated clear leadership - ideal for leading Australia into the future.

Howard adored attention, his relationship with George W and marking a place for himself in history - all of which backfired on him.

Abbott remains the attack dog, the Libs need a leader - Abbott cannot lead or inspire - he only understands aggression.

Belly

I loved your last post - while we have had our disagreements, there is no doubting your bravery, sincerity and honesty - three qualities that neo-cons from both the major political parties need in abundance.

I agree that Labor has made and will make mistakes - Gillard's Peoples Convention - we don't need that any more than we need offshore processing for boat people. But these are not major mistakes like Work Choices or the war on the Waterside - remember Patricks and Peter Reith - an attack on workers and freedom of choice, figuratively and literally using attack dogs. The drowning of 300 women and children on the SIEV X, the list goes on. Labor is going to have to do far worse than not properly regulating provision of insulation batts before reaching the dismal lows of the previous Liberal regime.

One of the problems with elections is that it is hijacked as such that the poor guy hasn’t got a chance to succeed. It is all about big money and then when elected how to make themselves a lot richer for after they leave Parliament. As a CONSTITUTIONALIST I deplore this conduct because they are vandalising our constitution. We need to get back on track and get a real government in place not a pretend one. To me the major political parties have lost the plot and so the Australian Greens with their unconsidered plans. We need people off the streets to show what life really is about and use their knowledge to ensure others do not end up like that.
We should throw out all the phoney politicians and get back to what it is supposed to be. See also my blog at http://www.scribd.com/InspectorRikati