Hasbeen wrote of the Prime Minister, "a thoroughly unpleasant person to boot".

You're sooooo right HB. And Tony Abbott is just so sweet, And Joe Hockey never loses his temper in parliament, and Christopher Pyne is surely no yelping drama queen on the floor of the House, and dear old Bronnie Bishop is as lovable as my dear granny.

Jockey I am unsure if you and I can rebut statements like Hasbeens and that other poster we clash with.
A deep growing bitterness is on display here.
Conservatives did very well but they will not except Labor got the chair.
can we take on such biased statements? our leader being named a shrew, seeing references to her sleeping her way to the top?
I have been here from about 2004.
It is a great place?
But I am beginning to get the feeling if I wanted to post a thread saying Abbott is a rat bag it would not happen.
Get thee Jockey to the post history of our fine conservative posters see those balanced threads.
Today posters believe me, I see what may grow to be a threat to my country.
We once copped it on the chin once said ok but we will win next time.
Are we now to show great bitterness and not except the result?
THIS THREAD HIGHLIGHTS FAILURES IN MY SIDE
Hasbeens view of Gillard is one mans pain being expressed as fact.
I have no problems with that but protest needless prodding

Belly, I know you won't believe me when I say, I am not a Liberal supporter.

I have no real feeling about Abbott. I started to switch off during the campaign. I was happy Rudd had gone, & didn't care too much who replaced him. How many wins can a bloke expect?

Gillard started to loose me when she kept dodging any meaningful commitment to anything. The fact that Abbott at least said he would do a couple of things, & stop a couple of others finally won my vote, but only just.

If he had won, I could very easily have found him, after the fact, as distasteful as I now find Gillard. I certainly would put no effort in trying to promote him. It is only observing Gillard as the new PM that has caused me to think really poorly of her.

I can think of no one in politics I would like to see as PM at this moment, which is not a very pleasant feeling. I can see a few I would hate to have in the job. One is Gillard, & Turnbull is another.

In retrospect, if I look at all the PMs that have held the job in my time, the only one I'd like to have back is Howard. Do with that what ever you must, but I can't think of another I would like to have back, & most definitely none of the other Liberals.

Even I'm not old enough to have a memory of Menzies as PM, but with what I have learnt of him since, I think I would have found him an insufferable stuffed shirt, of little use.

Hasbeen again I will divert the thread to talk to you and antiseptic.
Let me say,sure you both will agree,Australians, a great number of them do not understand politics.
Liberal/Labor/Greens/ Nationals/ or the truly lost family first, any party.
Voters want different things than the party they vote for promise.
And more often than not hold that party to task for not doing some thing they never promised to.
Anti you have point BUT do you know why Labor bought those laws in?[ got it wrong in places]
Do you know of cases that saw kids flogged and in fear of visiting dad?
I do, my job takes me a few times a year to court to help a dad get to see his kids, my brother lost his and dreams of one day seeing them, his wife have no doubt acted as criminal as any one ever did.
I hasbeen liked Rudd still do in his roll but he is the doctor death who both raised then killed a QLD government.
Gillard can not be trusted but Abbott is even worse.
I TRUE, think Gillard will lead well, then fall to the same sword as Rudd.
NO ONE should expect their party to be great or even good all the time.
The conservatives face ,both Bishops Pyne Abbott Minchin repel me.
I see another true Liberalism in waiting Turnbull will lead it ,it will challenge my mobs right to their land we took from them.
Lastly I make no apology for Labor evolving ,for our move to the right, now it, never is possible for a party anchored in the dead ground of the past to win
Just as the Republican style movement in conservatives in this country is a dead end.
Come my Labor Friends consider this, did we want to be controlled by the greens, does Australia?
Can we manage this Parliament all the time? no but we can make progress do not let your selves be blinded by those who can not except the result of this election.

Governments of all political persuasion & Labor in particular do not make mistakes, they exercise their incompetence.

Belly, the ALP introduced the Family Law Act in 1975, It has been responsible for more pain and suffering than any other single piece of legislation this country has seen. The motivation may have been good but the product was very badly flawed, requiring a complete re-write and Commission of Inquiry to do so. Sadly, the ALP under Hawke and Keating didn't have the guts to do that, but left it to the Howard Govt. The reason, of course, is that the ALP is dominated by feminist ideologues flooding in from the white collar unions and their hangers-on.

The CSA targets your members, Belly; blokes who work their bum off in the rain and the cold and the heat, as you have eloquently described so often. If they do a bit of O/T, there's the CSA with its hand in their pocket. If they decide to go and work in the bush for the bucks on offer, guess which Agency is first in line at the pay office, before they pay any bills or buy a beer with their hard-earned?

There are now 2 generations of Australians who have had to deal with the inequities of those 2 great legislative failures. To top it all off, we watched as an elected male PM was toppled in a bloodless backroom coup by a woman, then we were asked to vote for her. At the same time, the ALP was advancing a policy to increae funding to the CSA. Is it any wonder record numbers simply refused to play the game?

The ALP should not forget that the middle-class women they think they represent are only Labor voters for the freebies - their vote is for sale and will go to the highest bidder.