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The Forum > General Discussion > Cross Dressing - The latest 'Get out of Gaol Free' card.

Cross Dressing - The latest 'Get out of Gaol Free' card.

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Dear Rehctub,

I guess the statue of Justice wears a blindfold
for a reason. Justice they say is blind. But
the law is the law - and in this particular
case the Judge saw extenuating circumstances in
making her decision. I don't know that much
about Aspergers syndrome - or the young boy's
cross-dressing disorder, obviously the judge
knows better. It's very easy for people to make
judgements, without knowing all the facts.
I imagine however, that it must be extremely
difficult for anyone involved in a car accident
(and that's what it was - an accident - not
premeditated murder), knowing that you caused the
death of another human being. In this case - his
girlfriend. Perhaps is punishment in itself?

Anyway, I think that your premise that the boy's
"cross dressing" is a "get out of goal" free card
is totally inappropriate - and you're making
a judgement here without knowing all the facts
involved. It also of course must be difficult for
the girl's family. However, it was an accident.
And the judge probably took all of these facts into
account as well as the young man's "Aspergers."

Whatever, happens in the future - this young man will
have to live with the fact that he caused the death
of another human being, for the rest of his life.
Perhaps that's a worse sentence, than anything the
courts could have given him?
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 8 September 2010 9:57:33 PM
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Ok, let's make it very clear.

What I said from the beginning was that the news report stated that this guy avoided jail due to being a cross dresser. That's all it said.

At no point have I said that the crime deserved a jail sentance and you are all very aware of that.

At no point have I involved brain injuries, someone else has.

If you all go back and look you will see that I clearly ask, why does this guy get off for being a cross dresser. That was the news report. I didn't say it, I merely repeated what I heard.

Most of you have tried to minipulate the story, even to the point of accusing me of being judge and jury.

I will ask one more time.

Why do normal people get gailed, while those with hangups or disorders get off?

This has always been my question.
Posted by rehctub, Thursday, 9 September 2010 6:03:00 AM
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Dear rehctub,

I see now that you are stating specifically that you have gleaned your information and come to your conclusions based on a "news report".
First of all, just because a news editor happens to run with a particular line of reasoning doesn't mean that the reporting is not skewed in a particular direction. Often judgments are not reported in even-handed fashion. News outlets are notorious for slanting public opinion in whichever direction holds the demographic of their audience - or with a line that will create controversy.
It doesn't necessarily hold with your later sweeping statement that only "normal" people get jailed - which I don't think you really believe anyway.
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 9 September 2010 6:41:58 AM
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I tried rechtub to make this a sophisticated discussion, mot to manipulate you at all. So you ask a simple, simplistic question so I will give you the answer that question deserves.

"Why do normal people get gailed, while those with hangups or disorders get off?"

Because "normal" people bash rape and murder people who are different. Because "normal" people let murderers of Transgender people get off on lesser charges almost every time (the Angie Zapata case in the USA was the first murder 1 conviction there in 30 years despite the leading cause of death for african american transgender women being murder!). Because "normal" people ruin the lives of those who are different for no reason.
Because "normal" people do more harm to the world than the people they victimise for being different.

rechtub you have failed to address the simple stats i gave, of 38% of transgender queenslanders having been assaulted with a weapon! 46% having been bashed. Transgender people are less often criminals than "normal" people. "normal" people are less often victims of crime than Transgender people.

"normal" people contribute directly to the deaths of transgender people by the thousands with their bigotry and negligence. "normal" people drove transgender people from an accepted and often honored place in the world by convincing other "normal" people to reject and oppress and assault them. Just 40-odd years ago here in Australia police still arrested and harassed Transgender people for existing. Electro-shock torture, chemical torture and even lobotomy were used to try and destroy their Transgender nature.

"Normal" people owe Transgender people for the damage done, for the erasure of them from history and popular culture, for the vilification and the bashings and the murders. All these cause young people to kill themselves every year. "normal" people let this happen. "normal" people refused to do anything about stopping this even when informed with quality studies stats and facts.

"normal" people are too often dangerous towards and cannot be trusted around Transgender people.

Of course not all cisgender people do i count as "normal"
Posted by Bayne MacGregor, Thursday, 9 September 2010 11:36:06 AM
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But unless and until people like you rechtub do something about the bashings and the suicide rate and the mockery and the hate that kills kids every year and the broken prison system that killed Veronica Baxter who wasn't even yet convicted of anything http://www.thescavenger.net/glbsgdq/another-black-trans-death-in-custody-36578.html and the refusal to do the same investigation they would for any other aboriginal death in custody then the judge made the right decision.

What are you doing about these deaths rechtub? You know about them now. Now you know what happened to Veronica Baxter what are you going to do about that? You can whine and complain that someone with a 38% chance of being attacked with a weapon and a 46% chance of being bashed OUTSIDE prison can't be sent to jail cause the odds would be 100% well what about a woman not even sentenced in court who may not have even been guilty who is now Dead? No-one is going to jail for the death of Veronica either rechtub.. why are the ones who put her in that prison causing her death getting a get out of jail free card?

rechtub if you care about justice then you should speak out against the murders and the bashings and the bullying-into-suicide of Transgender people, the inaction of authorities and the silence of the media and the failure of the schools.

Why wasn't the crossdresser sent to prison? Because just being sentenced to a world of murderous and violent "normal" people and murder-by-negligence-and-silence Authorities in the OUTSIDE is a greater punishment than a cisgender person gets in prison!

So rechtub what are you going to do about the death of Veronica Baxter and the attempted suicide rate of 40% of Transgender youth, the 46% bashing rate and the 38% attacked with a weapon rate?
Posted by Bayne MacGregor, Thursday, 9 September 2010 11:36:43 AM
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You want justice? Fine. Where is the justice for Transgender people you seem to think so advantaged? Where is the advantage for people where nearly half are bashed more than a third are stabbed with a knife, smashed with a glass bottle or stone and nearly half try and commit suicide because of the prejudice they face? Where a woman is put in a mens high-security prison for a drugs charge who hasn't even been tried yet and may have been totally innocent and dies after 6 days and it isn't properly investigated?
Posted by Bayne MacGregor, Thursday, 9 September 2010 11:37:03 AM
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