"Transgender people's lives should matter to you as much as anyone elses."

"Well, sorry, but they don't."

Thankyou for having the honesty to own up to being a bigot. But please explain to me how you can justify it?

"Point 1. I don't see why anyone should be treated any differntly by the courts."

They shouldn't. Courts should ensure everyone's safety and rehabilitation in incarceration. We have women's prisons seperate from mens for a reason, safety of the prisoners. The same reason requires us to have a Transgender one because the safety IS an issue. Not doing so IS to treat them differently!

"Point 2. I don't think that death by accident warrents jail. Remember, I was only reacting to a news story."

Immaterial. 38% of transgender people assaulted with a weapon, 46% assaulted, 40% attempted suicide rate and the death of Veronica Baxter all show there is a bigger problem connected to this case that caused the judges decision so that problem must be addressed as part of this case!

"Point 3. Not yet made, but, if you think joe average cares so much about so few, then why not suggest a referendem on the subject. However, I don't like your chances."

Galaxy polls already found 85% of Australians support antidiscrimination protection for Gender Identity, including majority support in rural areas and coalition voters! But why not suggest a referendum? Because it shouldn't have to come to that. Australias government is already suppossed to deal with the Equal Human Rights of all Australians. And constitutional reform is not required legally to fix the broken laws.

"Finally, you made mention of TS people dating back to before Australian white settlement."

Yes.

"Now I have no reason to doubt this, however, it is only in the last few decades that these types have openly come out of the closet."

Not so. It's been increasingly visible since it was decriminalised and people were less often raped and bashed by police and lobotomised and electrocuted by doctors (which still happened in the 60's!). Look up the Yimpininni or Sistagirls of the Tiwi Islands of Australia as just one example of Indiginous Transgender traditions. Existing traditions can be found throughout our region.

"Now, for some reason they want all others to accept them for what they are, well, that's simply not going to happen, at least not in my life time and you had best get used to it."

The reason is because it is right. Science says so, history says so, reason says so, logic says so, culture says so. And just like Women in Universities and the workplace and Aboriginals using the same swimming pools as white people it can indeed change in one lifetime and it is already changing. So you are the one who has to get used to it.

"Now, if you wish to debate issues that effect our future, as a whole, then bring it on."

You brought up this subject so don't be a coward. This is about the future of 10% of the country. It's about a significant part of the annual suicide rate which kills more than car accidents do! The bashings and deaths preventing many people from being fully productive happy members of society has an economic effect on the country. It's about reforming the justice system which benefits us all. So sorry no excuse for you there. This is something that effects everyone. Those kids who kill themselves, those people bashed and stabbed all have mothers, fathers brothers sisters and friends too.

BM>>They shouldn't. Courts should ensure everyone's safety and rehabilitation in incarceration

Wrong! As I say, jail should be for serious offenders only and should be a hole in the ground. Now, if one does not like that, then don't commit the crime.

Point 2. I understand your frustration, but I simply don't care.

>>The reason is because it is right. Science says so, history says so, reason says so, logic says so, culture says so.

Sonds like evryone says so, except me. I don't care. Get it!

>>You brought up this subject so don't be a coward.

No, I didn't bring up this subject. You are the one defending the rights of these people.

All I want to know is why the have a right to be freed, when normal people don't. As for the rest of it, once again, I DON'T CARE!

Enjoy your day.

"BM>>They shouldn't. Courts should ensure everyone's safety and rehabilitation in incarceration

Wrong! As I say, jail should be for serious offenders only and should be a hole in the ground."

Why? What should with the other criminals?

"Now, if one does not like that, then don't commit the crime."

Thats nonsensical as i have already informed you the majority of criminals have brain damage that interferes with their judgement destroying their capacity for responsibility unless given rehabilitation which our health services don't give. Giving them that would stop the crime before it happens, so you are saying you WANT more rape and murder by not supporting this crime prevention?

"Point 2. I understand your frustration, but I simply don't care.

>>The reason is because it is right. Science says so, history says so, reason says so, logic says so, culture says so.

Sonds like evryone says so, except me. I don't care. Get it!"

LOL of course you care! If you were apathetic you wouldn't mind Transgender people being treated like humans and would have a live-and-let-live view. But you are not apathetic meaning you do actually care! You want Transgender people to NOT be equal, you consider their lives less valuable than cisgenders. Thats caring about the subject very strongly!

">>You brought up this subject so don't be a coward.

No, I didn't bring up this subject. You are the one defending the rights of these people."

I defend the rights of all humans whether i belong to their group or not, and i've not said whether i am or am not Transgender and/or Intersex. Defending the rights of others is the default position of Ethics and Reason and Fairness. But you are OBJECTING to their equal rights. showing you care enough about Transgender to need them to be UNequal!

"All I want to know is why the have a right to be freed, when normal people don't. As for the rest of it, once again, I DON'T CARE!"

You had it explained to you. Your deliberately ignoring that.

So in summary rechtub you have admited or argued:

* Transgender peoples lives don't matter but cisgender peoples do
* It's ok for Transgender people to be assaulted raped and murdered but not cisgender people
* giving transgender people the same protections that exist for cisgender peoples by giving them a seperate prison is not ok even if it solves the thing your objecting to
* It's better to have the current rates of rapes and murders than to do what would prevent them
* despite saying you don't care you really must to consider some lives less than others and some murders bashings and rapes unimportant while others important. A mark of EXTREME concern with the subject!

"Enjoy your day."

I will.

Actually rechtub, i have a short answer for your burning question "All I want to know is why the have a right to be freed, when normal people don't."

Because people like you who care so much as to consider Transgender lives less than Cisgender lives and who oppose letting them being equal and being treated as equal make it the right thing to do!

Or the even shorter version: It's your fault and the fault of people like you rechtub.

Don't like it? I gave you the ways to fix it but you ignore it so what's REALLY your problem? Why do you care So Much to value some lives more than others?