ALGORE,
You’re a sad, strange, paranoid little man. There are communists in every major group, wanting to take over the world. There are Scientologists in every major group, wanting to take over the world. There are Greenies, Christians, Rastafarians, Hindu’s, Sex Party workers, Climate sceptics, Illuminarti, Masons, and BANKERS that want to take over the world. So I KNOW socialist’s want to take over the world. It’s in their mission statement, just as a similar mission statement is in the Koran.

But do you have any proof?

Meanwhile, the oil companies sit back and take 10% of the world’s GDP and laugh it up as they pollute the Gulf of Mexico, because oil and oil based policies really DO control the world.

Think about it! Instead of building walking and cycling based city plans, we’ve built car based city plans. Instead of saving 3-4% GDP with public transport, we waste 10’s of billions a year on car accidents, traffic jams, and subsidising excessive roads and highways and parking lots.

I asked you how you were going to install your preferred city plan? You rudely ignored that vital point, and are now asking me to read yet another of your paranoid links. But no. This conversation stops here unless you address that question!

IS THE VANCOUVER DECLARATION A SOCIALIST MANIFESTO or merely recommending considered changes to existing town planning policies?
How would you write a town planning manifesto around satellite cities and public transport WITHOUT it sounding “CONTROLLLING!”

Time to quote my blog at you.

“Some react negatively because they are under the mistaken impression that ‘the market’ controls city growth. Wrong. Private developers might slap the bricks and mortar together, but in most western democracies they have to go through local and State town planning authorities. Suburbs are already ‘planned neighbourhoods’ — but sadly, the wrong plan. You live where you live because some ‘Suburb Nazi’ authorised your division. Deal with it.”
http://eclipsenow.wordpress.com/rezone/

Golly Gosh Eclipse.. ur sounding more like a tryant than ever.

"You are a sad little paranoid man"

"You rudely...."

THIS CONVO STOPS NOW unles......

R u sure you are reformed ? as in..Sola Scriptura and faith in Christ?

You know..Galatians 2:20 etc

I've read the communist manifesto.

//The proletarians cannot become masters of the productive forces of society, except by abolishing their own previous mode of appropriation, and thereby also every other previous mode of appropriation. They have nothing of their own to secure and to fortify; their mission is to destroy all previous securities for, and insurances of, individual property.//

You already know what the Vancouver Action plan says about 'private' property... if they both basically say the same...go figure.

I don't expect you to 'read' that linke..other than simply see the headline.. if you wish to read more..by all means. It was evidence of manipulation.

How would I implement my 'sattelite cities' ? with the usual means of contractors and planning.

But I wouldn't 'plan' private property out of existence.

Sorry, my bad. I already said I KNOW socialists want to control the world. When I said "Do you have any proof" I wanted to know about statistics. How many Greens are also communists? What are their *policies* here in Australia? What makes them "Communist"? What makes your ranting about a 'socialist green conspiracy' to take over the world any more realistic than the Masons taking over the world?

You've basically lied to this forum about the Vancouver declaration.

"How would I implement my 'sattelite cities' ? with the usual means of contractors and planning."
Planning! You evil control freak! How the heck are you going to do that!

"But I wouldn't 'plan' private property out of existence."
Neither would they if you bother to READ the whole document! You're *lying* again.

Algore,
I hope you understand that much of my last post was in irony. So when I said “Planning! You evil control freak! How the heck are you going to do that!” it was in the mock-serious tone of trying to highlight that this is exactly what the Vancouver declaration has tried to do! Yet when one puts pen to paper, it can sound sinister.

Vancouver was highlighting the dangers of viewing ‘private property’ as eternally permanent fixtures of the landscape that can never, but never, be rezoned.

The Vancouver document challenged this view and promoted the urgency of rezoning land use as appropriate. It said NOTHING about the State ‘owning’ all the land and ushering in a Socialist State! It is about ‘public control’ not ‘public ownership’. It is about the right to rezone land as necessary, not the ‘right’ of the State to acquire land without due compensation!

Q1: How do you tax something that does not exist? Did you bother to read: “Taxation should not be seen only as a source of revenue for the community but also as a powerful tool to encourage development of desirable locations, to exercise a controlling effect on the land market”
Did you read that last word? So while I don’t have a view on how effective taxation is to implement land use changes, it definitely talks about a *market*. That’s private ownership buddy!

I highlighted this to you in previous posts. You just decided to ignore it, and then went around quoting communists and cherrypicking from Vancouver. You have proved NOTHING other than the fact that you cherry-pick and can't read, and don't understand planning processes.

Q2: If it were a communist manifesto, why have so many American free enterprise and public planning associations signed up to it?

The Global Planners Network have adopted it.
Founder members are: American Planning Association (APA)[8] Canadian Institute of Planners (CIP)[9] Commonwealth Association of Planners (CAP)[10] Planning Institute of Australia (PIA)[11] Royal Town Planning Institute (RTPI)[12]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Planners_Network

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Planners_Congress

http://www.globalplannersnetwork.org/

Al Gore, any further comments? I hope your absence indicates thought and contrition over your position here, and not sickness, or some family emergency?

(I hope you are well).

Eclipse Now, I think Boazy's having a bit of a break from bashing Greens in favour of his old favourite pastime of Muslim-bashing.