What? You’re starting up the same dribble over here in this thread?

I watched 20 minutes of that so called ‘documentary’ and debunked it back in “Christians voting for the Greens” thread. It’s a waste of time, a mad conspiracy theory. It’s up there with being probed by the aliens. It’s nuts.

“Always remember.. behind that next 'endangered species' their might be lurking powerful money and political interests who don't care squat for the furry thing..but they sure do care about nationalizing private property with them pulling the strings of power.”

This is utterly and totally insane! I was recently listening to an excellent ABC podcast on the Murray Darling. In the lifetime of study of one of the field biologists studying the Koorong, 9 birds have gone extinct! Vanished forever!

Is that good ‘creation care’? Is that ‘tending the Garden’?

“See how an environmentalist lawyer is exposed blatantly using an artificial 'endangered species' ploy to achieve a much bigger goal of control and nationalization of land.”
Yeah, I saw that bit and thought it was a very dishonest ploy from one guy who’s environmental passion has got the better of him. But Christians have never used any dishonest means to wrangle money or get people into churches, have we? ;-) Does that disprove the Christian faith, or are some Christians just dishonest thieving wolves in sheeps clothing?

Nothing you have said here disproves the environmental claim that not only species, but entire ecosystems are going extinct 1000 times faster than natural rates of extinction. Nothing here says what we should do to protect the 50% of biodiversity we are about to lose. There are vital genetic answers to questions we don’t even know how to ask yet, and they are being lost, forever! Nothing here glorifies God by proposing that we care for his creation!

Pelican has got it in one! Christianity is not all about heaven, but also celebrates THIS world, this meal, this tree, that ecosystem, this human body. We are not ashamed of our physical form or world. We should celebrate and protect it!

ALGORE,
Seriously, a CEO of a *major* nature foundation is paid $310 grand annually? Quick, someone call the United Nations and call out the national guard, we’re about to be taken over! There’s no way we can stand against THAT KIND OF MONEY! As Neil said (on the “Young Ones”), “Help, Help, I’m being oppressed!”

Um, get a grip. If he’s the CEO of a major USA conservation foundation he’s running a BIG organisation. He’s also highly talented, and *could* have become the CEO of a more profitable institution, one that paid $300 MILLION per annum! That’s the kind of wealth greenies are up against!

Seriously mate, the science is against you, and the maths is against your weird conspiracy theory obsession. Count how much money fossil fuel companies have on the one hand, and then count ALL the greenie organisations IN THE WORLD together on the other hand. Who wins? Go figure.

In the face of those odds, if a few greenies actually do manage to pull a few strings I’ll not only be amazed, but a bitter and disillusioned part of me might actually want to sit back and CHEER!

Disprove that half the world’s biology is threatened with extinction by the very ‘private land owners’ you seem to value so highly! Suburbia grows exponentially across the western world. It assumes the names of the places it destroys. I’ll make up a few names to protect the innocent. Duck’s Crossing has no ducks, Pine Hill, has no Pines, Meadow Lakes has no Meadows, and the lakes are being drained for more DEVELOPERS!

If you want to see a REAL conspiracy in action, watch Dick Smith’s Population Puzzle. It clearly explains the links between overpopulation in Australia and the big developers. Australia’s largest developers are quoted as wanting to bulldoze our national parks!
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/populationpuzzle/

If anything, the REAL conspiracy is in exactly the opposite direction to the one you paint! Developers want to bulldoze our public parks so they can make billions selling it to private individuals. I say BACK OFF!

Boazy

>"it is because of the 'group I serve' that you even HAVE 'human rights'"<.

Sorry bet that is just so much rubbish.
To follow that up with the golden rule is just so hypercritical for any church least of all by any individual.

I thought that Christians served God not institutions.
doesn't the Bible say something along the lines of
- have no other Gods before me' and "a man can not serve two masters"
et al.

BTW the golden rule dates to much older religions than Christianity and Judaism.

In short you views on the Greens are simply visceral.

I have no problem with religion or no religion it is a matter of PERSONAL choice but proselytizing is simply imposing ones emotional perspective on others.

Let's be clear I DON'T come here to convert anybody to anything merely to facilitate thought.

Seriously AL GORE... watch the Dick Smith population documentary.

Watch it online here.
http://www.abc.net.au/tv/populationpuzzle/video.html#top

If developers had their way, Australia would be approaching 200 million people and every last bit of our natural heritage, the public property that is our natural parks, would be paved over or ploughed up.

If you don't watch movies online, contact me at the email I've provided on my about page, and we'll see what we can do about it.

http://eclipsenow.wordpress.com/about/

Eclipse Now,

You say you like the modern world, but you don't like its shape.
The modern world and its shape are one and the same.
Concentration of factory production within larger urban conglomerations was part of the development of the industrial system - suburbia, in prosperous western nations, is an integral component of such a system.
It is not just about "boring" work. It's about the creative relevance of that work to the human that is undertaking it. If there is no intrinsic connection between a person and his labours then his experience as a contributory soul within his community and environment is impoverished.
If your daily toil affords you some creative relationship between yourself and the things you produce, then you are one of lucky ones. The great majority of "workers" in the post-industrial world do not experience a sense of relatedness to the things they produce nor to the products they consume.

Dear Pelly

you said:

"why do you continually diminish environmentalism"

:) mainly because of the 'ism' bit. I am not against good stewardship of the planet, I am vehemently against EnviroNazi's who have latched on to the Green movement like limit mines and are using it for:

a) Political power as an end in itself. (Gore Strong, Zoi etc)
b) Financial gain as an end in itself. (Gore, Zoi, Strong etc)
c) But most/worst of all, is the connection between the environmental 'movement' and communism/socialism/neo Marxism.
d) How the 'movement' is being used by scurrilous unconscienable minions as a soft weapon of war against freedom.

When a man can be jailed for 3 yrs on the strength of an interpretation of the word "water", which the 'StateEnvironaziGestaopoSS' claimed means 'land' then.. houston..we have a problem.

One thing you might have missed in the Video (if you watched it) was live footage of an Environmentalist openly saying how they would look for a good 'candidate/surrogate' for 'engangered species' to halt logging until they got the 'real' legislation in place. i.e.. they simply 'made it up' for an 'end justifies the means' approach to it.

That is megalomania, corruption, fraud.

Environmental responsibility is taking consideration of the relative benefits to mankind of various course of action re the planet. Obviously, a course of action which destroys the place is not good stewardship. But let's be clear, MAN is the penultimate species and we are not going to be ruled by some creeping crawling thing which might be endangered by our presense. YES..if we can show that said creeping thing is a vital part of some food chain....we need to reflect on the action.

@ECLIPSE
My opposition to EnvironNazi's is 'conspiracy theory' ? :) haha de ha ha Eclipsy. Just read the writing on the wall.. the UN documents about 'private property' and you have it as plain as Martin Luther.

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