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The Taming of the Shrew

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Julia Gillard has fallen in the trap of spin over substance. When treasury starts putting inflated revenue figures into the budget projections, the treasury moves from a government function to a political instrument. While the mining tax agreement was a victory for JG, the deliberate misrepresentation of the figures has damaged her credibility.

Combined with the East Timor off shore processing debacle where she announced the policy after a brief phone call to their president, before he could even discuss it with his government, was not only a further dent in her credibility, a huge diplomatic blunder to boot.

The huge backlash she is facing from not only the opposition, but within her own party, means that the free hand she had to implement change is sharply being withdrawn.

Bringing down Rudd was much easier than wearing his shoes.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Thursday, 8 July 2010 11:03:40 AM
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"Bringing down Rudd was much easier than walking in his shoes."

Superbly put, Shadow Minister.
It is mind-boggling, isn't it, that someone who is held to be so politically astute could act in so dense a fashion. I find it unbelievable that Julia Gillard and her minions announced Labor's "Offshore Processing" initiative without detailed discussion and agreement with the East Timorese government.

Mind you, it was interesting to read Alexander Downer's remarks in the Australian relating to the Howard Government's adventures in outsourcing the detention of refugees. He states: "We tried Singapore, we tried Fiji, we tried East Timor - we succeeded in the end with Nauru. We thought about the Solomon Islands - Initially, Mr Ramos Horta's response was encouraging - it wouldn't have cost them a cent."
Really....how industrious....it was odious policy then - and it's odious policy now.
Posted by Poirot, Thursday, 8 July 2010 5:49:53 PM
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Bugger!

I so badly want Julia to be good PM.

But she’s suddenly looking very wobbly!
Posted by Ludwig, Thursday, 8 July 2010 10:59:52 PM
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So she is a shrew now?
Was it not you SM who took to me for calling Abbott Rabbott?
Gillard did nothing wrong in talking first to the man ET,s Prime Minster put in charge of negotiations.
Let us leave the spin, near bald faced lies a side here.
Abbott the Rabbott knows JG is doing very near what he has asked for, not unlike Howard's policy.
He also knows Gillard will get her deal if not from ET it will happen.
If not this plan what about Abbott's? do you think he believes he can send boats back? or will those on board scuttle them?
No papers no entry, do ANY OF US not know they destroy papers so they can not be sent back?
Ludwig she will get her plans in place, stopping most boats.
Shadow Minister you will eat your words post election spin such as your post is straight out of the Liberal failure to think tank, do you think it can win one swinging voter.
It feeds only conservative voters repels others.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 9 July 2010 3:45:48 AM
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The taming of the shrew is a Shakespearian play about a headstrong and obdurate woman who by psychological torment is made compliant. Her red hair and large conk was simply too easy to draw a double meaning.

Try engaging with what I said rather than blustering.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 9 July 2010 6:41:35 AM
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Nice Title SM.....

Oh I can feel the honeymoon ending.....

another stuff up with ET

and the green loan scandal about to blow

tax payers are saying why?

why?

why?

are these idiots playing fact and loose with our money?

doubtless references to Shakespeare would have gone high over some heads here....

the cultured might recall the Taylor/Burton offering of the same Title as a memorable flick.
Posted by Stern, Friday, 9 July 2010 7:31:45 AM
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Yeah well, besides the obviously inflammatory title, I pretty much agree with SM here too. This is getting to be worrisome.

<< I so badly want Julia to be good PM.

But she’s suddenly looking very wobbly! >>

Don't worry Ludwig - I won't rub it in too much :P
Posted by CJ Morgan, Friday, 9 July 2010 9:06:23 AM
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And labor claim that the libs have no talent to chose from.

If this is what labor believe is talent, the libs are lucky.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 9 July 2010 9:57:24 AM
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<< Don't worry Ludwig - I won't rub it in too much >>

Crikey CJ, aren’t you being just a little premature?

Gillard will no doubt slip up to some extent, and probably to a very big extent before too long, and appease your apparent desire to see her fail. But she hasn’t slipped up yet, she’s just developed a mild case of the wobbles!

So… you really don’t want her to be a good PM, eh?
Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 9 July 2010 10:40:11 AM
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Ludwig,

It would be nice to think that Gillard could be a good Prime Minister - but, let's face it, this was a pretty big spin-out. I do recall, however, (although not specific instances offhand) that the Howard Government made many similar stuff-ups - and they manged for the most part to recover - after all, voters are extremely suggestive and easily led by the nose.

My major problem is the arrogant and condescending manner in which successive governments tend to treat our smaller neighbours. Aderito Hugo, a spokesman for Mr Gusmao's CNRT Party in East Timor, was quoted in the Australian as saying: "This Australian approach doesn't consider us a sovereign nation. Australia seems to regard its smaller neighbours as puppet states."
I agree with him.
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 9 July 2010 10:53:47 AM
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Ludwig, I'd really like for Gillard to be a good PM. However, early indications aren't particularly inspiring - most particularly this cynical dog-whistling on asylum seekers, which she seems to be bungling anyway.

I also agree with Poirot. There's something disturbingly neocolonial about the way the Australian government regards its neighbours with respect to asylum seekers. Australia is the wealthiest country in the region, and fobbing people who seek asylum here off on to struggling developing countries with little infrastructure, and significant problems of their own, smacks of exploitation to me.

It's not me that's being "premature" here, Ludwig - I'm waiting and seeing, and it just seems to get worse. As I recall, it was you who jumped the gun somewhat with your exuberant approval of Gillard, based on her rapid deployment of the asylum seeker dog-whistle.

I'd still like her to be a good PM - despite her initial blunders she's still slightly better than Abbott. But she'd need to do a lot better than she has so far.
Posted by CJ Morgan, Friday, 9 July 2010 11:20:07 AM
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<< It would be nice to think that Gillard could be a good Prime Minister - but, let's face it, this was a pretty big spin-out. >>

Poirot, I agree, it was pretty sloppy. But when you compare it to Rudd’s phenomenal blunders or to Abbott’s very hardline insistence that the Libs will just turn all boats around, it pales almost into insignificance.

<< My major problem is the arrogant and condescending manner in which successive governments tend to treat our smaller neighbours >>

I’m not so sure about that. Our smaller neighbours want as much assistance from Australia as they can get. Australia wants their political regimes to be stable and good for their people and we strive to use aid and diplomacy towards those ends. Yes, some people will interpret that as being overbearing and not showing due regard for others countries’ sovereignty. In the very difficult arena of international relations in our region, some criticism is inevitable, but I really don’t think Australia is doing too badly. Relations are generally pretty good.
Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 9 July 2010 1:34:43 PM
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<< There's something disturbingly neocolonial about the way the Australian government regards its neighbours with respect to asylum seekers. >>

No, I can’t agree CJ. Australia is not << fobbing people who seek asylum here off on to struggling developing countries >>, it is working with others to develop an asylum seeker policy that is mutually beneficial.

Nauru had to agree to Howard’s suggestion for a detention centre there and didn’t do so until it had secured a good deal. Nauru has indicated just recently that it would be willing to do it again, as they did benefit a lot out of that arrangement.

It won’t happen in Timor Leste unless the Timorese can see a significant benefit in it. If it happens, it will essentially be a good bilateral arrangement, not a matter of a big bullying Australia unduly pressuring little East Timor to accede to its wishes.

<< It's not me that's being "premature" here, Ludwig - I'm waiting and seeing, and it just seems to get worse. >>

Doesn’t seem to me as though you are waiting and seeing. It seems as though you are levelling constant vehement criticism.

Gillard’s efforts to deal with the asylum seeker issue, that Rudd so profoundly stuffed up, have been commendable. And yet you completely condemn her for it.

I can’t quite imagine what she’d have to do in order for you to think of her as a good PM, short of opening our borders to a much greater arrival rate of asylum seekers or something like that, which would incur such outrage that she’d get the boot out the back door like Rudd real quick.
Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 9 July 2010 1:38:11 PM
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In the first hours of Gillards leadership I went on record here.
I do so again ,she will win the election,govern well, be popular.
And I will never trust her.
She however will stop the boats,,,because she must.
She let me down by putting the ETS of the table for 2 years,because she wants to be elected.
I know all about the taming of the shrew, find the title has nothing to do with it.
Garrets foolishness in every move he makes is hardly Julia's fault, he will take a back bench seat post election.
Gillard it is said is considering giving another of Lathams lost supporters a return, the very lost, very much harmed by his own actions Joel [air waster] Fitzgibbons.
Along with Crean Julia and this clown?
Bring Bill Shorten out of the cupboard please set him free.
Posted by Belly, Friday, 9 July 2010 5:34:01 PM
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There once was a redhead named Julia
Many find her slightly peculiar
Not a typical dame
Plays the game without shame
Her ambition is going to rule her!
Posted by Foxy, Friday, 9 July 2010 7:52:14 PM
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There once was a polly called Tony
Whose torso was hairy and bony
His rival, Queen Red
Roared, "Off with his head"
To counter his phony baloney
Posted by Poirot, Friday, 9 July 2010 8:25:29 PM
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Anything with 'green' in it.. involves socialist re-construction of society and the redistribution of wealth....by force. (or in this case..by stealth)

//The review, conducted by former Victorian chief bureaucrat Patricia Faulkner and consulting firm KPMG, found 96 per cent of the procurements examined were done without open competition.//

double DUH.... rolls eyes.... haven't I been YELLING about these green/watermelon networks for the past few months ?

The Green watermelons in America are quite open about this.. their plans to direct 'stimulus/green' money into 'jobs' for migrants and blacks and latino's is nothing more than that.

Even the uber capitalist/socialists like Gore and Strong are neccessarily promoting this, ...in Gore's case he HAS to have Democrat support for his 'High efficiency grid' and his carbon trading scams.. heck..he is playing with by now BILLIONS of investors/hedgefund dollars from people who expect a payoff!

Gore....Democrat Connections... Latino and Black vote...= power and wealth for a small number.(of white watermelons)

Julia is just copping the tail end of all this. Green loans ? :) hahahahahah.... yeaaaahhhhRIGHT. You can bet it will just take some digging to see the 'networks'.
Posted by ALGOREisRICH, Friday, 9 July 2010 9:07:08 PM
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There once was a PM called Rudd
Who turned out to be a total dud
Everything he touched turned to crud
People were out for his blood

As time began to pass
His leadership became a farce
So his party gave him the arse
And now his name is mud (:>(
Posted by Ludwig, Friday, 9 July 2010 9:19:08 PM
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Anything with 'green' in it.. involves socialist re-construction of society and the redistribution of wealth....by force. (or in this case..by stealth)

......and bob brown,s power gets even stronger! The time for power and greed is over! " redistribution of wealth is exactly whats needed as the gape between the rich and poor continues.

David. shssssssssssh..........just don't tell the honey makers.

Bob is the only winner! Just who do you trust? Its your mob that voted the clowns in, so make your bed and lay in it.

Vote! Green! or you can vote for tony the toad, or Gilly, the very silly.

TTM.
Posted by think than move, Friday, 9 July 2010 9:32:23 PM
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Has it ever occurred to any one to wonder if this particular shrew is worth the effort.

Every day, as she becomes better known, she is showing herself to be totally inadequate. I think she is proving, she is just not worth the bother.
Posted by Hasbeen, Friday, 9 July 2010 10:28:52 PM
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Have to get the oar in the water here hasbeen what makes Julia an outstanding leader is Abbott.
This country will never put him in charge in fact while not spelt right Rabbott is descriptive.
Now both comments about greens are way of the rails Boazy pedals that push bike of his but needs to consider putting wheels on the is going no place.
TTM informs us greens [home of middle class higher income voters]is the answer, bloke they are not even the question.
Foxy it will be that ambition that both drives her to succeed and in time on to the rocks.
She while sharing the load better is not unlike Kevin.
After the election and her first cabinet is chosen,by her, I will have more to say.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 10 July 2010 5:58:25 AM
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Belly,
I for one fail to fathom a mentality such as yours. How much more does Australia have to go down the drain before you put blind party politics & artificial imaging ahead of competence & reality. Put forward just one labor policy which has had a good economic & social impact. I'm not talking about Government hand-outs & the likes but good practical policy. Just one please.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 10 July 2010 9:06:15 AM
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It appears that Paul Howe, Belly's "man of the future" is not altogether enamoured with Julia’s position of asylum seekers.

And here in lies a dilemma for Belly, & other true believers. It’s the “man of the future” -- let them all come here -- Paul Howe, against the woman of the moment ---process them off shore --Julia Gillard.

This could be very messy.

Psst! Julia, a word of advice:
”Beware of [Wayne Swan].
Watch [Bill Shorten].
Don’t go near [Martin Ferguson] .
Keep an eye on [Peter Garret].
Don’t trust [Anthony Albanese].
[Don't censor] [Stephen Conroy].
[Paul Howes] doesn’t love you.
You’ve wronged [Kevin Rudd].
These men all have one intention, and it’s directed against [Julia]. If you aren’t immortal, watch those around you. A sense of security opens the door to conspiracy. I pray that the mighty gods defend you!
Your friend,
[Horus]
Posted by Horus, Saturday, 10 July 2010 9:53:09 AM
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In the center of the Capital
Where the chambers are large and deep
Live the most peculiar creatures
That you could ever meet

They're known as pollies, of all descriptions
Of every shape and size
Some have ears that stick way out
And phony puckered smiles

Most of them think they're rather smart
Perhaps it's 'cause they're male
Although the way they think and talk
Is actually quite stale!

We need a change the voters cry
Someone who's game not lame
Perhaps the time has really come
For the PM to be a dame?
Posted by Foxy, Saturday, 10 July 2010 12:00:56 PM
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Belly,

If your sole compliment for JG is that she is better than Abbott, then she is truly wanting indeed.

Having as a minister completely balls-ed up the BER, she is making all the same mistakes that Rudd did. The opposition's claims that she and Labor are incompetent are yet to be disproved.

Her first few weeks of governing are like watching a rat flail in a trap. I am embarrassed to be associated as an Australian.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Saturday, 10 July 2010 12:04:40 PM
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Foxy

Did you write that little piece?

Wonderful.

The first time Australia gets a female PM and she is already described as a "shrew". Makes me embarrassed to be associated as Australian.
Posted by Severin, Saturday, 10 July 2010 12:12:39 PM
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Individual no post ever in OLO got up my nose as yours did here.
Can you sit in your castle and judge me that way?
Do you read the forum or just blast idiotic thoughts at Wil?
Read understand NSW ALP see my truly held thoughts there, in fact while I may get it wrong EVERY WORD I post is what I think and believe.
Are you sure only you have the answers.
Can you truly think you are always right, those who oppose your views wrong?
You give evidence it is you who fail to understand, you who in matters of politics and public opinion of it know far from enough to insult anyone.
Tell me on election night why you are right and voters wrong.
On the day your party dumps Rabbott tell me I got that wrong, but first think mate, understand others view have value.
And on some subjects we are all wrong, in this case clearly your self confidence is sadly miss placed.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 10 July 2010 5:11:03 PM
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Do not fear foxy, Julia will win, she will govern well and be respected and liked by as many who did so with Keven.
She is not ever, even close to being anyones puppet, in fact my fear is she may leave talent on the back bench, to be in control.
She has grown from very pro worker to not very close at all to unions.
Those who acted for Julia did so for the party's sake,,,she clearly is the best candidate for the job.
We have much to learn about fairness and equity calling her a shrew.
But never mind after the results are posted the hate and smear will continue.
Posted by Belly, Saturday, 10 July 2010 5:21:00 PM
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Belly,
I simply asked for you to state just one example of good, practical, economic & social policy implemented by your beloved party. As I expected you would, you came back with the same baseless accusations as is your trait. If you're so convinced that Labor is doing such a fine job then for decency's sake state just one example & refrain from defending something that doesn't exist, i.e. a Labor government that delivers for the good of the Nation.
Posted by individual, Saturday, 10 July 2010 7:38:13 PM
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Belly,
calling the leader of the opposition Rabbott is as bad as calling the new PM Dillard !
Posted by individual, Saturday, 10 July 2010 7:41:18 PM
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Nice one Foxy.

May I add another verse?

Will our dame PM be great
Or plonk us deeper in the poo
Will she make this country shine
Or turn out to be a red-haired shrew! ( :>/
Posted by Ludwig, Saturday, 10 July 2010 8:57:38 PM
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Dear Ludwig,

It is a crime for a woman to shine
Many say that's true
Blessed with a curse
An ambitious thirst
What else can talent do?

Will she make this country great?
She can only try
She needs support from a talented team
So she won't have to lie

A PM can lead the way
They all should play the game
If they do she will come through
There'll be no one left to blame!
Posted by Foxy, Sunday, 11 July 2010 11:52:27 AM
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With regard to Julia & her labors:

I cannot offer undying devotion –like Belly
I cannot offer political correct assessments –like CJ
And,I cannot offer magical lines of poesy –like Foxy

Alas ,all I can offer is this song –whose lyrics (listen closely) soooo remind of labor recent policy manoeuvrings .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ms9IxBXuJbs

(Come to think of it –the singer reminds me of labor current leaders, both Federal & NSW state )
Posted by Horus, Sunday, 11 July 2010 12:40:41 PM
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The blindness that allows Horus and Individual to talk of my devotion overlooks facts.
Here in print I have said often I do not trust her.
Please do not however overlook the simple fact voters do not trust Abbott.
And I believe the fact Julia is female drives some true drivel from conservatives who fear Labors stable of fine women members,any of who would be wasted on their side.
Look first at the two Bishops, I rest my case.
Julia will win, govern well and be loved, not by me, but I respect her and honor her for being the one who saw our partys need and acted.
After the election ,it always happens,we will hear from conservatives who openly say we should never have picked the bloke.
We also will hear the bleating about mug voters not knowing what is good for them,being a gardener I will thrive on it all.
Posted by Belly, Sunday, 11 July 2010 2:44:22 PM
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Dear Belly,

You seem to have a very complicated relationship with Julia.
You respect and honour her, but you don't love her - and you certainly don't trust her....Sounds like a bit of a shotgun wedding to me (I predict it won't last).

By the way, loved your line about the two Bishops in your last post, lol.
Posted by Poirot, Sunday, 11 July 2010 2:59:15 PM
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Dear Belly,

I have no doubt whatsoever that Labor
will win the next election under Julia's
Leadership. There's no other real alternative.

By the way - I'll be watching the TV movie
"Hawke," that going to be shown on Channel 10,
this Sunday,(July 18th), starring Richard Roxburgh.
It's supposed to be "warts and all," so it
should be interesting.
Posted by Foxy, Monday, 12 July 2010 10:48:14 AM
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Belly and Foxy,

Your blind faith in Labor is touching, but the poll advantage is razor thin, and is only achieved by assuming all the opposition's policies.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 5:08:59 AM
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I would like you to truly consider this Shadow Minister.
Blind faith?
Do you truly see blindness in our posts?
Look at mine, show me your posts that highlight failures in your party.
Ask your self why you indeed never take the stick to your team.
All views have value, but sometimes not equal value.
Your view that Foxy and I are blind is at the lower end, it however proves something.
It is you who are blind.
To other views than yours.
This election is yet to be won,,,,,or lost both sides as you point out can win.
Yet you seem to think only your wishes and wants should be heard and seen.
Post election SM, post a loss I saw a year ago, post Abbots leadership, you need to find time to educate yourself about politics.
See the real blindness is forgetting those needed to change governments are not ALP voters not Liberals.
But swinging voters.
They will not be won by unrealistic faith in your leader, read his polling.
Posted by Belly, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 5:30:19 AM
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See the real blindness is forgetting those needed to change governments are not ALP voters not Liberals.
But swinging voters.
Belly,
I have to partially agree with that however, the swinging voters at times have enlightening moments at election time & cast their vote in the Right direction.
Posted by individual, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 5:59:42 AM
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Well the Shrew will get tamed pretty soon

No East Timor Solution

Nauru, with the facilities we paid for standing idle

it looks like the Howard Government solution is going to tame this Shrew like a whip on the bum of a horse.

Of course, with an election coming up and a list of failed policy initiatives from dead insulation contractors to a non-centralised health system, non-installed internet censorship, empty school halls, dimulous payouts and profound failures in almost every portfolio,

The swinging-vote electorate will start to think of the halcyon days of the liberals when their worries were about which restaurant to go out to, not whether to buy sausages or cheap chops so they can afford the escalating, government controlled, heating bills.

isn't socialism wonderful

the pious, hand-wringing, self-righteousness of opposition

replaced by grand-incompetence when in government
Posted by Stern, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 9:16:58 AM
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It's Socialism by Stealth!
Posted by CJ Morgan, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 9:31:06 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

It's not blind faith at all as you suggest.
The voters simply cannot afford to lose
what they currently have.

It's not the policies during an election that
count, but what the elected government does
after the election. The past record shows
that the Liberals don't care about the voters
that elected them but only about big business
that keeps them in power.

Most policies tend to change or be forgotten
after the election. New programmes are developed
after the election so we vote for the Party that
gives first consideration to the needs of the
majority of voters which appears to be the
Labor Party. Let us not forget why the Liberals
lost the last election, and why their leader
lost his own electorate. The same people that sat
on that front bench are still sitting there today.
Nothing has changed.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:15:05 PM
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Belly,

You appear to have a fuzzy memory as I have criticised Abbott and the liberals in the past.

Foxy:- "It's not the policies during an election that count, but what the elected government does after the election."

In that case the comparison of the last few years when Labor has abandoned, or reversed just about every major policy decision either when they failed through sheer incompetence, or became politically inconvenient, as against the Liberal government who brought the country to the first surplus in generations, and who provided efficient, if dispassionate, governance.

As a taxpayer, I don't feel that we can afford the lofty ideals of the present incumbent incompetents.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 12:45:06 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

You can't be serious.
I think you're pulling my leg.

The Liberals have blocked everything they possibly
could and then accuse Labor of inaction.
Besides, nothing has been abandoned. Merely put aside
in an attempt to achieve things. But my
goodness - the Libs even got rid of a Leader (Turnbull)
to prevent the ETS from being passed. You're the one
who seems to have a selective memory. As for bringing
the country to surplus - whoopy do - that was difficult
to do wasn't it, during a mining boom? But ask yourself
why they lost the last election if they were so great
at governance? And why did the PM get kicked out of his
electorate? As I stated in my previous post, the same
front-benchers are still sitting on the front bench
mouthing the same old platitudes.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 3:47:49 PM
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Foxy,

Perhaps you should look up the definition of governance.

What have we got after Labor burnt its way through $46bn of taxpayers' money in record time?

Why in the presence of a mining boom can Labor not reach surplus without pillaging the mining sector, while the Liberals could?

The liberals could not block the cash splash, the BER, the housing insulation spends, grocery watch, fuel watch etc, all of which have been an unmitigated stuff up.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 4:34:36 PM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

I'm beginning to suspect that talking to you
is an exercise in futility. There seems to be
a huge gap between us that isn't going to be
bridged. However, let me just say this.

You again ask "what have we got after Labor burnt
its way through billions of taxpayers money in
record time?"

I've already answered that question in my previous
posts, but let me try again...

Labor steered Australia through the worst economic
crisis the world has ever seen in 75 years.
The United States, United Kingdom, Japan, all had
a recession. Thanks to Labor, Australia did not.
That is what is known as governance.

Yes, Labor did spend billions on the Economic Stimulus
Package with programmes that involved spending on
school buildings, social housing, ceiling insulation,
and so on. And yes, each of these programmes were
fraught with problems such as poorly installed insulation,
and possible rorting of funds for the school buildings
programme. However, the rorting of funds did put the
money back into the economy (by spending), and these
programmes did create economic activity that saved at
least 200,000 Australian jobs. Which is no mean feat.

You ask, "why in the presence of a mining boom can Labor
not reach surplus without pillaging the mining sector,
while the Libs could?"

Firstly the Libs had 12 years while Labor is trying to
achieve things in 3 years. Secondly, the worst economic
crisis the world has ever known in 75 years,
put a spanner in the works. Thirdly, the Libs
were tight-arses, and didn't spend on social services.
They cut back instead. I trust that clears things up
for you.

However, I've had my say, and I'm now done.
I feel that these issues will best be resolved
at the ballot box on election day.
The voters will get it right in the end.
Posted by Foxy, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 7:18:56 PM
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Re: "at the ballot box on election day.
The voters will get it right in the end"

Actually, I think the voters have been getting it "right in the end" from labor, for some time now!
Posted by Horus, Tuesday, 13 July 2010 8:34:02 PM
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Foxy,

You are simply pimping the Labor party line with Rudd tinted glasses. If you are trying to get us to swallow that drivel, then it is an exercise in futility.

The GFC did not have nearly the effect on Australian business, mostly because most industrial consumption is internal, and the mining sector sells most of its product based on long term term contract prices.

Given the difficulty in retaining skilled staff, very few workers were let go, simply because most businesses knew that getting them back would be impossible.

Given the huge economic engine built up over the last decade, Aus would have weathered the storm even without the huge stimulus.

You say "possible rorting" of school funds, this is ridiculous. The rorting was blatant and so wide spread that it occurred in just about every public school upgrade.

Perhaps you could provide and example of where this was professionally handled?

If you post blatantly incorrect information, don't be surprised if people call you out on it.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 8:00:41 AM
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Dear Shadow Minister,

Thanks for an interesting discussion.

Have a nice day.
Posted by Foxy, Wednesday, 14 July 2010 11:20:24 AM
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We humans, Aussies for sure,are a weird mob.
Miss placed self assurance, the strange idea, so many will not let go, that they are right the majority wrong.
It is my view if shadow minister is not one he knows them closely.
Only in conservative ranks could such entrenched spin live.
All these beautiful posts, just in this thread, showing a remoteness from middle Australia's voting intentions, delight me.
As in the last election each one will be on display in my home for my celebration of Labors victory.
I will be late home scutineering, but we all will share many laughs, I have already, at the blindness of those who have no other policy than to turn Liberals into Australia's version of Americas Republican party.
The theme should be any lie will do do it early do it often just do it lie and smile as you do.
Posted by Belly, Thursday, 15 July 2010 6:06:16 AM
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http://www.theaustralian.com.au/politics/julia-gillard-admits-school-mistakes/story-e6frgczf-1225892389548

"Over the past year, The Australian has uncovered widespread evidence of price gouging and rorting, with state education departments struggling to deliver the same value for money being achieved in private schools, where principals are managing its rollout."

Belly and Foxy,

Where are the laptops for every child. Last I heard, they were rotting by the thousands in warehouses.

If this is how she is going to manage the economy, we are in serious trouble.
Posted by Shadow Minister, Friday, 16 July 2010 5:28:27 AM
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"Where are the laptops for every child. Last I heard, they were rotting by the thousands in warehouses.

Ah that was just the electioneering jingle SM

you know like "No child will live in poverty in 1990"

and

"we will plant a billion trees"

and

"Tax cuts are LAW"

You have to rememebrm Labor is so obsessed by its internal, factional fighting, it cannot be expected to remember what it lies it told the electorate from one day to the next

Re - If this is how she is going to manage the economy, we are in serious trouble."

I would have thought the revelations on spending on price rorted school halls and deadly insulation programs, let along defective border protection policies confirmed that...

and our grand children are left with the bill.......

thats soicialism for you

false promises and nothing delivered, except the taxes....

from your pocket to an incompoetent bureaucracy
Posted by Stern, Friday, 16 July 2010 7:30:11 AM
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