Arjay mate....

it's not 'lust for oil' but desperation for survival which drives all these geopolitical moves mate.

Surely you know this by now ?

Survival is like a chess game.. you have to anticipate not just the next move or 3..but the implications of each one.. in terms of power balance and strategic advantage.

Grow up.. please.. or it's off to my special 're-education' camp for you:)

I Boazy think age may play a part in arjays ideas.
Can you say you never had thoughts and ideas that you no longer have.
Can any of us, say we know for sure we know better.
I however as much as I may not want to, agree it has nothing to do with oil.
Can anyone prove America is profiting from oil it would not have got without the invasions.
Yes invasions, looking back it can be Seen we in the west got it wrong, we will not this time.
But history is full of country's using the world as toys Spain Portugal Britain,France Germany and NOW?
See chinas imprint on the people of Burma states in Africa and the middle east self interest kills fairness when country's expand

Mortechai Vanunu was jailed for 18yrs for being a whislter blower on the production of Israeli nukes.He was recently kidnapped in Rome and jailed again by Israel. see the proof http://www.vanunu.com/nukes/index.html

AiR and Belly see also http://www.wearechange.org/ I have met the founder of this site Luke Rudowski and it has supporters all around the planet.It is time for both of you to become less ignorant if that is possible.

AIR & Belly are stating that you are seeing the world through some awfully youthfull glasses. It's ok, just pointing out that as you grow older, the problems, the causes thereof and the solutions thereto grow less and less clearcut, the black and white become a sea of greys...

As to Mordechai Vananu (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mordechai_Vanunu), you could at least get his name right. Like I say, I find it INCREDIBLY difficult to believe that someone with such a history got a job at such a high-security facility without a background check by MOSSAD. Incredibly (and I mean, it defies credibility) he not only made it into said site, but managed to smuggle a camera in there as well?

Unlikely in the extreme, even more unlikely that he would be allowed to travel outside the Country without being watched...

Seemed too pat at the time, seems too pat still. I don't doubt HE believes what he saw/was shown, but whether the poor fool was seeing what he thought he was seeing is questionable.

Cui Bono? Israel's supposed nuclear program became known and the Arab Armies, particularly Syria & Egypt backed down bigtime. There has been no third party verification of the existence of these supposed WMD, which makes me suspicious as well. They are just assumed to exist: (1) because Jewish Scientists worked extensively on both the Russian & American Weapons programs; (2) because of the "reported" disappearance of a shipment of enriched Uranium/Plutonium on its way to France and (3) because of Mr Vananu's statements.

Seems like there is a real chance of it being smoke & mirrors mate... After all, the Iranians have access to the equivalent amount of enriched material and haven't made one bomb according to you, so why would Israel have done so much better?

Logically, without independent verification of either, you cannot choose to believe in one and not the other. You must either choose to believe in both (without proof) or neither (because of the absence of proof).

Custard Israel has form.What about the Liberty incident of 1967 when Israel blatently attacked an un-armed us navel ship which was clearly marked and tried to blame it on Egypt.This is documented fact and it was covered up by LBJ.

If you go to http://ae911truth.org/ you will the scientific facts that prove 911 was an inside job.Now we don't know the details of who was involved.It definitely involved some of the neo-cons in the USA.Now Alan Hart and Dr Alan Zabrovsky are saying that Israel was involved also.

I don't think that even Israel would stoop that low,Custard.Do you think it was Cheney,Bush and the other neo-cons or did Al Queda have control of the CIA? An engineer told me that the US Govt may have had the towers and WTC 7 wired with exlosives just in case of a terrorist attack.Since they were iconic buildings and prone to such attacks it would make good sense to bring them down safely via controlled demolition but some fool forgot to warn 3000 deceased US citizens.

Perhaps we need an enquiry into the failure of the warning system is needed.Custard,how would you wire up two 110 storey buildings and one 46 storey building so they could be brought down safely? Larry Silverstein thought it could be done in one afternoon.He even phoned the insurance company that afternoon to make sure he could still collect if the had to "pull it" ie WTC 7.

Do you think Larry did the right thing in pulling it?

It is your thread, Arjay, and it is clear that you had no intention of discussing Iran in the first place.

You came here for just one reason, you wanted to hear something very specific, but unfortunately nobody understood you and so we all left you in the dark, poor thing, without giving you the kind of attention that you so badly need. So let me correct this now by finally telling you just exactly what you wanted to hear all along:

Israel controls the world, it has heaps of nuclear bombs and yes, if you'll be a bad boy it will come and nuke you out as well.

Happy now?
Good night!