Arjay,

"No one has addressed the fact of Israel's 200+ nukes"

What an under-estimate, so you better not fool around with Israel!

You have not addressed the fact of North-Korea's nukes, only 6-7 bombs are preventing the world from saving those most miserable people on earth (more miserable even than Zimbabwe).

"which are illegal"

Oh, and why? Israel is a sovereign nation which never signed any agreement to abstain from developing nukes (North-Korea and Iran did sign, so have India and Pakistan).

"and the fact that Israel and the USA want to invade Iran under false pretenses"

Who in their right mind wants to invade a radiocative desert?

The times when anyone with oil could get away with just everything (Re: Saddam Hussein) are all but over.
The reason that Iran has not been nuked yet is not its oil, but the fact that there are innocent civilians living there. However, when the balance stands between the lives of Europeans vs. the lives of Iranians, then Europe (and its American NATO ally) has the right and duty to defend itself, saving its own people by destroying Iran.

The only false pretense is by Iran, pretending that all its nuclear and missile arsenal is intended for Israel, causing people like you to salivate with glee, even ignoring all facts and Iran's atrocities. The truth is that Israel is not a high-priority on Iran's list: it is Europe which they eye to conquer and export their Islamic revolution into.

Fortunately, Russia and China made it clear in which camp they stand. Turkey and Brazil on the other hand (along with a few others like Venezuela) sided with the Islamic-revolution forces. Interesting to note that Lebanon chose to be neutral. A likely next step could be the Anschluss of Turkey by Iran. These are the powers currently arrayed for WW-III.

Oh yeah, I forgot, this all boils down to Israel's Nuclear Weapons... OK, When has Benjamin Netanyahu PUBLICLY STATED THAT HE INTENDS TO WIPE ANY COUNTRY OFF THE MAP?

Never?

Damn... So why are Israel's weapons of any interest here?

I mean, that is presuming that they have them and that is a long way from established, always seemed a little pat to me, that some clown with mental instability 'managed' not only to get a job in the most secret installation in Israel, without a rigorous background check by MOSSAD, but managed to repeatedly smuggle a camera in there?

That said, the bluff, which I rather suspect it was, has worked a charm...

It is a long way from being in any way as dangerous as Nuclear Weapons in the hands of the certifiable lunatics in charge of Iran.

Anyone without a bad case of Anti-Israel Personality Disorder would presumably be capable of thinking about this rationally, but despite the fact that the Turks & Iranians are KILLING CIVILIANS together, all you can discuss is Israel.

Not how on earth we can trust Turkey to safely protect our welfare, when it is KNOWN to be working with Iran militarily already. This is not make-believe, this is based upon news releases from both Nations to Reuters and reporters on the ground (in Kurdistan).

Can we please retain some rationality in this discussion? I don't see how Israel's supposed nuclear weapons have anything to do with it, they are nuclear capable (but then again, so are we - our 155mm howitzer can fire tactical nuclear shells, while our F/A-18's and the Super-Hornets can both deliver the bombs)

Custard,Israel has 200+ nukes illegally.It is against the nuclear non proliferation treaty.Israel is currently scheming to attack Iran.It does not the evidence.The US lied about Iraq having WMDs and they are lying about Iran having WMDs.Which countries have Iran invaded? The US has invaded Vietnam,Iraq,Afghanistan,Pakistan and meddled in many country's polictics around the planet.Israel cannot be trusted even by her allies.

Iran defended itself against Saddham a US generated despot.When he got out of control they finished him off.Saddham started trading oil in the EURO instead of $US and that would not be permitted.

Tut, Tut, Arjay....You are silly, aren't you. These good people are merely pointing out how well this strategy works - we can all see the results in the shining nation that Iraq is today (What Ho!)
The Iranians obviously need to be invaded for their own good (just like the Iraqis) - That's what western imperialism excels at - deploying its glorious brand of Acme democracy and inserting it like a cleansing suppository while flitting hither and thither throughout the globe.
Besides, America has form when it comes to dealing with democracy in Iran...they were instrumental, were they not, last century of turfing Iran's democratically elected government and installing the Shah.

Arjay, you've seen these Nukes?

Popinjay, Iraq needed to be invaded, but everyone should have got out the minute Saddam was found and executed.

Let the Sunni & Shia fight it out amongst themselves...

As to Iran, I see absolutely no way that allowing the Russian Military what it has always wanted (an all season port in the Indian Ocean) would threaten peace in the Middle East any more than Iran is now.

The Russians would then have to deal with the ratbags, but they've used chemical weapons for that in the past (just imagine if the US/ADF did that?), with particularly good effect.

That would get rid of one saber rattling idiot from the region, I'd also give them free reign with Turkey (a traditional enemy), giving them a Mediterranean Port as well.

Quite frankly, the rapid resurgence of the Cold War is of less concern than the nuclear arms race in the Persian Gulf. At least with the Russians, there was an ability to use brinksmanship (NB they were not criminally insane, except perhaps Stalin). The same cannot be said for the denizens of the Gulf, I have no wish to go out because of Allah (and "Mutually Assured Destruction" won't work with mentally handicapped, nutters who think in terms of 72 virgins).

Some times arjay old blokes take a bit longer to learn.
Today via OLO yet again maybe I learn to look behind your posts.
How old are you mate?
Not that you need say but if you do not mind?
I such a long time ago,, in a far different world held views about Communism, Social justice, rich and poor that looking back proved to be just wrong.
I knew about America financing the second world war, even letting the Russians die in huge numbers for all our freedom.
And I Saw America, for the second time, rebuild Europe.
Japan too.
Brazil and other south American country's hide Nazi war criminals.
Turkey? struggles to not become an Islamic state,, fights internally to stay the show piece of the near and middle east.
That battle may already be lost,, for a time at least.
Know arjay,, understand,, history is full of warnings if the bomb falls into the wrong hands,, hands that think God loves murder you will see reason to change your mind.