Very good Boazy. You acknowledge that there are secular Muslims who are good neighbours. We're getting somewhere.

Now I'd like to see you pull your mate Proxy up on on his incessant vilification of Muslims.

Mind you, I won't hold my breath.

CJ Morgan,

<<secular Muslims>>
An interesting concept.
Please explain.

<<Now I'd like to see you pull your mate Proxy up on on his incessant vilification of Muslims.>>
Please show me where I have once vilified Muslims.
My gripe is with Islam.

Proxy: << Please show me where I have once vilified Muslims. >>

<< By definition, Muslims claim allegiance to Islamic ideals.
By studying Islam (if you lot could be bothered) one discovers that
it is a supremacist, misogynist, violent "religion" that advocates
child marriage, slavery of non-Mohammedans, rape of slaves,
death to apostates and to all those who refuse to submit to it. >>

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3716#90070

That's just once, in this thread. If I could be bothered, there's plenty more.

Also, of course there are secular Muslims, just like there are secular Christians, Jews etc. It's only the fundies of any religion who can be a problem to others.

CJ.. see proxy's last post

I've NEVER EVER denied there are nice secular muslims.. that's never been my argument.

Foxy.. you said:

It just goes to show what I've always believed
people may have different religious identities,
but we are alike in so many other ways as human
beings and I've always felt that it is arrogant
to limit our discussions to a "them" and "us"
category.

Yet by establishing this thread.. you are infact emphasizing THEM..and US.. I guess you don't even realize that from your side of the gateway to the twighlight zone :)

Grateful.. you need help.. If you want to open a thread "Help me" I'll happily do that for you.

SEVERIN if you read my posts you might see that there is zero 'hate' in them :) (not for people anyway)

Yesterday I had a long and cordial discussion with a Muslim missionary at the MindBodySpirit Festival. We examined some Quran verses and discussed Christian issues. He later came to our stand and we continued the discussion.. (home ground advantage :) and he left with an expression of deep appreciation.

I guess I must have disguised the 'hate' eh :)

Boaz, see my last post.

Also, while you may not deny that there are "nice secular Muslims", it hasn't stopped you from vilifying them:

<< a) He is a Muslim.
b) As such he is obliged to work toward the creation of an Islamic state.
c) If that Islamic state ever comes to be, Foxy would get her throat cut if she insulted Muhammad. >>

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3683#88955

Secular Muslims are those who are disobedient or ignorant to the teachings of their prophet. Secular Christians is an oxymoron. Mr Rudd is a fine example of a 'secular Christian'