Yes, time to rest. Do some reading in this place, whilst listening to "Spirit of Gondwana" and with a bottle of pink which I am about to crack.

*Memang "pink" *BoazY* kalau bikin anggur dari ragi tape, mmmm, dan beras ketan yang warna hitam*

I like didgeridoo and Aust BlakFella tongue in song - I find it very soothing for some reason. And more so when encoded with "Dreamy Theta Waves 7.7Hz - 8.19Hz"

;-)

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That was very beautifully conjugated Bahasa by *Foxy Loxy* I thought, albeit a "western" expression translated into the foreign tongue in the second part which doesn't always work.

Aaah, things indeed do evolve, and *Foxy* gains in strength and expression of Spiritual Individuality if I may be permitted to say so?

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Reading this word "Infidel" in the Suras leaves me wondering as to its original meaning. Can anyone assist with Tomes of Knowledge or a good linky.

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A brief word from the WitchDoctor:

" You are a Priest! Associated in Northern France. And you traveled, you traveled, with a group of Crusaders, to the Holy Land, to rid them of the .. and you were fortunate that you weren't killed. And compassion was shown by the .. So he's sitting there on this stone bench, gaunt, dirty, no eyes - they'd been taken out. .. It was the price you paid for your misplaced idealism and religious fervor. And your Soul longed to be free of the shackles that bound you to this Earth. You had come to the point in that life time where you didn't expect anymore .. and it was actually good that you came to that point, where nothing mattered any more. .. Certain aspects may well stand before you today, not to judge people by the outer garment, or their believes or culture. ... "

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The Dandenongs, it has been a long time since I walked and hugged trees in that place *BoazY* Near the scones, jam and cream place with the big glass room, just down the road from the famous artists place.

But how you forget, Boaz. So quickly, you forget already.

>>You and dear foxy are both patently incorrect in thinking you can just 'grab' verses to suit your purpose<<

We learned from the master, remember?

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7345#113521
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7345#113641
http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=7345#114126

et al.

Your entire basis of attack on Islam, as well as your entire defence of your particular version of Christianity, relies upon careful selection of scriptural gobbets.

It has been since the dawn of time, and I cannot see it changing. So, for you to take Foxy and myself to task for doing so is positively hilarious.

Incidentally, your mate Proxy seems pretty keen on the practice, too.

http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=3611#86607

But then, consistency has never been your strongest point, has it Boaz?

And the little "out" that you provided for yourself is just pure arrogance.

>>Of course it can be 'done'...but done improperly it makes as much sense as referring to the child protection act when you are suing your neighbour for blackberry intrusion.<<

The implication being of course that when you do it, it is entirely legitimate, appropriate and convincingly final.

The corollary being that us poor saps just don't understand these things the way you do.

Sorry to disillusion you, Boaz, but it is not necessary to have a degree in godliness to recognize double standards when we see them.

I thought the references to rationality and "the rules of grammer" were pretty hilarious too.

Posted by BOAZ_David, Wednesday, 14 May 2008 6:41:03 AM

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" ... EXAMPLE 2. "If any man would follow me, let him deny himself, take up his cross daily and come after me"
MEANING: 'Self denial, self sacrifice are essential for true discipleship- Christ must be first in our lives. ... "

Don't you think maybe that "our" first encounter with the "cross" was when we stepped out of the cave in the morning and the sun cast a shadow of the bod when first taking an early morning stretch.

To say it means "self sacrifice" is to hinge off the meaning imposed by the latter day church. However, it remains unclear to me that this indeed is the meaning of He that spoke the word in the context that it was said at the time that it was said.

(Perhaps *StevenLMeyer* can offer something regarding this from Old Hebrew.)

In the alternative perhaps rather to pick oneSelf up, physical imperfections and all and express something of the innate principals which unite us in to the one great family of Humanity.

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It is like the word f_cked, from Old English, which was quite commonly used if you roll the clock back a bit. Its meaning if I am not mistaken varies somewhat from the manner in which it is generally used today.

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This all reminds me that I need some new dictionaries.

Pericles,
<<Your entire basis of attack on Islam...relies upon careful selection of scriptural gobbets.
Incidentally, your mate Proxy seems pretty keen on the practice, too.>>
My selection of "scriptural gobbets" is no more selective than that of Al Qaeda, et al.
They understand that these "scriptural gobbets" are the essence of Islam.
You deliberately refuse to take note of the historical reality that these "scriptural gobbets" abrogate the "nice" parts of the Koran, even though the Koran itself makes this clear.
It represents the difference between Mohammed trying to curry favour with neighbouring tribes in Mecca and having gained the power to vanquish them when he was in Medina.
Mohammed's Meccan period - nice verses.
Mohammed's Medinan period - bloodlust verses.
The latter verses abrogate the former.
People who selectively quote the "nice" verses ignore this reality.
People who quote the nasty verses are not being selective so much as merely recognising that the "nice" verses have been superceded.
But none of this will even register with you because you have invested too much in your delusions.
It is nevertheless interesting to observe the phenomen of the closed mind and the open mouth.

Foxy bleats from the Alamo :) and Pericles crows from the mast of the Titanic...

I'd consider engaging you (Pericles) if I thought you had a clue about Hermeneutics .. which I'm sure you (like foxy) would suddenly become an instant *master* at if someone laid some kind of charge against you.

But in your case P, your usually well tuned skills of observation and understanding frankly dissappear when it comes to certain subjects.

Dragging up perfectly legitimate posts and information from the dark ages does not help you in the slightest, rather the opposite.

Your primary problem being, that in the case of my assertions about 65:4 in 'that' holy book, (this is the hilarious part) are actually taken from the opinion (as in,quoted) from a primary reference scholar of the University of Southern California MSA
http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/

If you look at 'Other Resources' you will find him named as the fourth person.

Now this is what makes you look such a complete dill. but DON'T PANIC.. to the equally irrational and information challenged like Foxy and CJ.. you look 'like a god' :)

You think you are attacking me :) when in fact you are attacking your own credibility. As I said Pericles. "people can read" including this post.

I don't find it a challenge or even attractive to try to persuade you or Foxy about these things because as I said.. in some things you dear folks are irrational, uninformed and lacking understanding, seriously. (primarily in interpreting holy writ)

Foxy retreats into her Alamo cocoon of "look at the next cute thing I can throw at you" and you chirping from up there on the mast of your sinking ship....

CJ ? :) welllll.. "oh oh.. LOOOK Pericles.. LOOOK..just looook.. he made a...SPELLING mistake oh oh" like a little lapdog :)

Folks, I just come to this thread to see what Proxy says :)

Dreamy I'm sending you back to Bahasa school.. ur a bit berkarat :)