Snout, you raise some interesting points. I am by no means comfortable with homosexuality, and would rather that it didnt exist, but looking at things in a scientific light helps to understand WHY there is such a thing. I probably sound only marginally better than Leigh, but thats just my background speaking - pretty conservative. But I prefer to try to understand the WHY, even if I dont like something. So thank you for bringing these insights to us.

Robert,

I am not “concerned” by/with perverts. If they stopped talking about themselves, they could carry on without comment, and do what they wished.

When there is scientific evidence – not the blathering of people whose opinions are no more valid than mine, I am prepared to listen.

As I’ve said before, same sex gear is not designed to be used together: there is no getting around that one.

I accept that there are a VERY few people who are born with their wires crossed. I do not accept the modern and very sudden infestation of a bunch of weirdos calling themselves ‘gay’.

CJ,

It’s just your opinion that I outdid you. Can we settle for neck and neck? You and I are, I’m happy to say, are much different, but I tolerate you. Unless you believe that tolerance means keeping quiet and saying nothing, which seems to be the case with you.

Might I just point out that I don’t refer to people who disagree with me as “bigots”?

There you go. You can now retort that you don’t call people “perverts” if you would like last say :)

If people are born gay that must mean that paedophiles are also born that way. Why then should we blame paedophiles if they are born that way? While it is true that more and more young boys are growing up without the affirmation of manhood by a father it is ridiculous to invent some new science to prove a person is born gay. I feel sorry for many young boys and girls today who are not allowed to be boys and girls. Ultimately it is a choice people make to commit sodomy. It is obvious that our bodies were not designed for homosexual acts which are unhealthy and often lead to disease.

There needs to be a look at the nature of effeminate males and their conditioning by peers; the personality type of these males and their link to certain genes. The fact remains they are clearly born male and able to successfully procreate. Their children can be totally strait, so it seems to be a diversion to link it to gay genetics. It seems to be linked to emotions and perceptions of one's self as a man.

This is distinct from the abominable action of anal sex as practised equally among non-gay men. It is the act that defiles the person socially not the person himself. That a person expresses effeminate characteristics does not prove him gay, as many of his peers seem to imply. Many effeminate men have been sucessful parents and had sucessful marriages

Sounds to me like some people try to lend scientific credence to homosexuality by invoking a Mendelian genetic influence over physical traits. What sheer swill!!
Is there a 'Gay Gene'? Not yet. If there was one its expession would probably be environmentally controlled as are the majority of our genes.

Dear Snout
it appears from your evidence that social factors contribute a lot.
(the older brother/s thing)

I totally accept that there must be periods in a mans life where they are more vulneralbe to homosexual behavior or feelings, but I suggest that each of us has a personal responsibility to resist these, and try to re-inforce heterosexual feelings for obvious reasons.

In my own life, I've found that I've had periods of lust, (heterosexual type) where, if one surcumbs to these, and reinforces them, whether it be by literature or images etc, it can reach a state of equalibrium or stability where one could easily 'think' "This is me". Once we separate ourselves from that, through repentance, and then feeding our spirits and minds with more wholesome and spiritual God honoring information, we also reach a similar point of 'This is me' where stability occurs.

Point being, brain chemistry does have bearing on our sexual appetites.
So, the individual and the social both have importance. I am yet to accept the genetic aspect, but if I did, I would describe this as 'deviate' or.. 'abnormal' in a clinical way if you get my meaning.
Clearly for males and females 'heterorsexual' behavior is 'normal' and homosexual behavior is 'deviating' from that path of normality.

But compassion is the key for people who are homosexual and NOT trying to convince everyone else that it IS normal.

Then there is the additonal complication of people with medical conditions which confuse their real gender. Judgementalism on those people is not valid.

Judgementalism is reserved for those who would seek to re-define 'deviate' as 'normal' and then try to infect our children at school with such information.