Celiva, "We, women and homosexuals are very good at multitasking, after all ;+)" damn, I'll just have to tag along on the one track :(

and

"We all know about the ones who protest the hardest, don't we? ;+)" - if you are implying what I think you are then I'll have to admit to having the same thought but deciding that the gay community probably does not want them either. The only fun bits about it are that some of them have as one of their deepest fears that you might be right and imagining other topics which might draw even louder howls of protest.

Seriously though it is an interesting topic, both because of the contrast between "genetic predisposition" and the "god does not like it" theories and because it is part of the unfolding of knowledge about how humans tick.

R0bert

Oh no poor, poor RObert,
it was just a joke- honest, you don't have to tag along! We all tag along together!

You probably remember the discussion started by holyshadow (btw I suspect it was OzGirl) titled "Gay marriage- are Australians ready?"

When I said "We all know the ones who protest the hardest" I was thinking of the article that Snout put up in one of his posts there- I looked it up, here's the link:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040202035152/www.apa.org/releases/homophob.html
It talks about some research on the arousal of homophobics- did you see it before?

I thought this was very funny- because of this article I now giggle when people are protesting just that little bit 'too much'.

Oh and I will always remember your maths on the 'waste of sperm' argument- it was one of the wittiest arguments I have ever heard! That must have been a while ago- I couldn't find it anymore.

What I don't really understand is this:

If creationism is the truth, then wouldn't God have created homosexual people?

If evolution is the truth, then the theory Snout presented here makes sense.

In either case, homosexuality shouldn't be a problem.

Celivia, is this the one you wanted http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4664#48371

I got a bit lost as to what Philo's actual concerns were, apparently it was not specifically the wastage of sperm but his concern that humans are dying out "Being gay or lesbian is death to the species - http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4664#48451" and we need every last gay to be procreating away to get the numbers back up (this endangered species thing is a real drag). If that is the case then celebacy must also be death to the species, curses on those who don't do their bit.

Also apparently gays are unable to teach about normal hetero-sexual relationships (http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?article=4664#48413) and that is apparently important for a teaching position in the church. Now if they were elderly celebate men who like wearing dresses and funny hats they would be much better equiped to teach about normal hetero relationships.

As I said at the time it would be much funnier if Philo did not appear to be serious.

R0bert

The bad, sad part of this is that of all the so-called Western Democracies, only the Australian and U.S.A. governments still refuse to enact laws that will prevent discrimination and harassment of same-sex-oriented people. The Labor party’s draft bill on the subject still exempts all religions from compliance and makes no mention of Civil Unions. Quite frankly, we were in some ways better off fifty years ago when no one spoke about it, and those of us who were invisible [the majority] just went on with our lives. Now every kid is fully informed and, thanks to compulsory religious instruction in all schools, many are out there looking for gays to bash.
I'm serious! All Australian educational institutions from primary to university are hot-beds of homophobia and dangerous places for gays to lift their heads. It was not like that when I went to university.
There is only one source of homophobia – religion. And yet every piece of legislation that is supposed to protect gays from discrimination, grants total exemption to religions. It’s like saying no one may murder except for those who are in the habit of murdering.
Because it is murder we are talking about. Every year in Australia tens of thousands of same-sex-oriented people are harassed, beaten or suffer grievously, and there are about ten hate murders. If the joy of life has gone and you live in fear, that too is a form of murder.
The denunciation of homosexuality by religions has increased markedly over recent years with religious TV imported from the U.S.A. in which the likes of Pat Robertson assure Australians that god hates gays. This not only instigates hate crimes, it is the cause of at least 50% of all youth suicides and the suicides of many older people.
Not until religions are placed within the law instead of above it, is there hope of equal rights for all.

ybgirp,
You are so unresearched to say only the USA and Aust are the only countries that do not allow same sex marriages. The fact is only one or two countries in fact allow such sex disoriented marriages. Try all the Muslim countries and see what the outcomes are.

Philo,
re-read ybgirp’s post; he did not say that the USA and Australia are the only countries that do not allow same sex marriages.
He says that OF THE WESTERN DEMOCRACIES, these two countries refuse to enact laws that will prevent discrimination. These laws could be civil unions, not necessarily SSM.

SSM occurs in more countries than two; do some research on the internet and you can pluck some facts of sites like:

“In 2001, the Netherlands was the first country to allow same-sex marriage. At present, same-sex marriages are also recognised in Belgium, Canada, South Africa, Spain, and the U.S. state of Massachusetts (for same-sex marriages performed within that state under its laws).”

BTW, The Netherlands is the only country that gives married homosexual couples exactly the same rights as heterosexual couples including adoption and IVF for lesbians. Hopefully other countries will follow.

RObert,
YES that was the post I was looking for- it was much fun to re-read it, thanks! Although I know what you mean about the seriousness of it all, I find the 'logic' of some religious people very amusing when it comes to homosexuality and some other issues as well.

Sometimes when you do have kids it’s not enough!
I was once told by a religious poster called Martin that I was selfish for having only 2 children! He and his wife have 6 kids!
Uhm…God had only one son! What a waste. And how many kids did Jesus have?

O dear, I’d better stop now before I insult anyone.