This discussion has drifted well away from the original topic regarding the “causes” of homosexuality, but, hey, that’s life.

Celivia, you sent your response to a different discussion: http://forum.onlineopinion.com.au/thread.asp?discussion=354#7357

ybgirp, I’m not nearly as pessimistic as you. As the link in Celivia’s last message shows, governments everywhere are choosing secular before religious values. In Australia, the blanket exception from anti-discrimination laws does not apply in WA and (I think) Tasmania, and I’m sure I’ve read about electoral polling in NSW is revealing that voters are wary of the Liberal Party because of its ties to the religious right (but I can’t find the link right now).

Note also that in the federal sphere the religious right recently took hits on stem-cell research and ministerial control of RU486.

Yes, there are some developments which are a cause for concern – the shift of government services to religious charities is a particularly worrying trend, especially in jurisdictions where they are allowed an exemption from anti-discrimination laws. But overall, I think Australians are moving towards less religious influence in their daily lives, not more.

I think it’s great that the Secular Party is pointing out the influence of religious organisations in this country. However I don't see any need to change my vote.

You are a wise person, W, and I have taken heed of your advice regarding religious nutters. However, articles I have read indicate that mainstream religions regularly oppose certain legislation, then recant in return for financial rewards and the extension of existing rights - the $9 billion awarded to the teaching of christianity in state schools is a current example of a softener and follows suspiciously close the the most recent 'cave in' by religion. When Muslims reach the dizzying heights of profitability enjoyed by the mainstream religions - $8 billion for the Catholics in 2005, in excess of $2 billion for each of the anglicans and Uniting... then they too, perhaps, will be prepared to modify their claims for law changes.
It seems an expensive and dangerous path to travel.
Today there are several hundred federal laws actively discriminating against gays, and there is no move whatever from either party to change that. Indeed, the mood is in the opposite direction. I do not share your optimism about an enlightened future for Australian gays. This country has a vile history of intolerance and persecution of all minorities, concealed behind the myths of "fair go" and "Mateship".