Watching the Carl Williams saga on TV makes me wonder what's wrong with affording an inmate the same level of security that the inmate afforded to his/her victim/s.

Two wrongs dont make a right comes to mind. An eye for an eye makes us all blind seems fitting as well. Lowering ourselves to the level of the criminals will only result in the destruction of our own morality.

Yes, and let's do medical experiments on them while they're in there too!

/sarcasm

mikk is right. It is not up to prisons to mete out punishment or to play judge and jury with inmates. Our institutions should be beyond reproach and strive to be better than those they incarcerate. Anything less is verging on anarchy.

capital punishment would reduce the number of innocents killed and reduce the cost dramatically for the tax payer.

Mikk & Pelican,
I agree with your sentiments & they have a good philosophical ring to it. From a realistic viewpoint however, how often do you see justice being done to the victim's satisfaction ?
If cold blooded criminals get a dose of their own medicine than jail security is adequate. It is up to the judiciary to ensure that no innocents are sent to jail. It is up to us to ensure we have a judiciary that is beyond reproach. There's an election ahead, do your bit.

Dear Individual,

Carl Williams was tried and convicted and
locked up in a supposedly secure prison.
The prison system failed him and it shouldn't
have. There will be investigations, and hopefully
these will provide the necessary answers to his
father and family. No one should die the way that
he did locked up in a supposedly safe prison system.

Questions need to be asked. If our system of justice
fails one, it fails us all.

individual
I agree with your sentiments about justice for victims and their families - it is too often inadequate. But that is different issue - not sure how our vote in a Federal election will have much effect on the judicial system in present times. Isn't it a bit tweedle dum-b and tweedle dee.

There's justice, as meted out in the courts
and there's natural justice, as sometimes meted out in prison.
Think of the money saved that can be far better spent.

no doubt the prison system failed but not nearly as much as the judges who have let people off so lightly only to go on and murder, rape, bash, steal and abuse innocent adults and children. Hopefully the death of Mr Williams might deter some from a life of crime however I doubt it seen it is so glamorized by our media

Well, if you ask me, he has done us all a huge favour.

I just wonder what the government can find to waste the saved money on!

Runner, you astound me with your contradictory remarks when exalting your? Christianity. How are people able to take you seriously when promoting capital punishment for all killers, from a Christianity/Spirituality pov.

Not to mention the poor buggers who kill in self defence [say your home was broken into during the night and your family under threat], you pick up a bat, aim for the burglar's knees, he/she falls and hits their head and dies. Capital punishment or manslaughter for YOU Runner.

How would you feel about capital punishment then?

you pick up a bat, aim for the burglar's knees, he/she falls and hits their head and dies.
we are unique,
do you think he/she would cop a bat if they weren't on the premises in the first place ??

we are unique

by the sounds of things you have not been to Singapore where it is safe to walk the streets. I have met a number of people in Australia who have raped. murdered and stolen with no regrets. If it was your daughter who was murdered and raped with some scum bag laughing in court you might change your mind.

btw I never said all killers should receive capital punishment.

How can anyone claim the prison system failed!

He didn't escape did he? So the system did not fail. We, the community, remain protected from this scum.

High security means less chance of escape, it does not mean modycodling those inside.

I wont lose any sleep about williams death, nor care about the one that did the deed.

Lost family from murder Runner and a girlfriend which does not change my mind on capital punishment. Too many reasons to list, one already mentioned. Capital punishment with our current outdated/archaic legislation would not work in the favour of innocent law abiding Australians, finding themselves victims of a burglar, murderer or rapist if we are to kill them in self defence. We think twice now about 'gaol'if we contemplate striking back and badly injuring a burglar for instance. They sue for their injuries and win in many cases, for pete's sake.

Individual you missed my point God love you.

Read the explanation to Runner. Its about our laws that would cost a victim of crime's life if they were to defend themselves in a home invasion as one example. Given our archaic legislation dating back to the early 1900's. Loopholes in all of our legislation given high crime committed today. Criminals playground legally. What more could a criminal want or need? Light sentences, entertainment, counselling, great tucker, and their victim in gaol right alongside them as a result of their victim defending themselves in a home invasion.

Dont think for one moment I am on the burglar's side strewth!

we are unique,
yes, I realised the moment I posted that I missed your point. Yes it is one of the most frustrating & unfair aspects of our misguided academic guided judiciary. I mean what on earth are these people thinking by saying one isn't allowed to defend oneself's family & property. As far as my morals are concerned I'll give everyone the benefit of the doubt. If someone does wrong, especially deliberately, then the perpetrator has waived his/her general rights. If someone heads for me with the intend to harm me than the only thing to stop me from bowling him/her over should be my ability to do so. I should not get convicted for defending myself.

Have you ever noticed, how people always call for jails to be harsher and punishments made more severe... Until a young relative does something silly like grow a bit of pot and ends up in jail. Didnt you all see the hungry beast episode of how prisoners children also suffer? Relatives suffer all sorts of distress and indignity when a relative is incarcerated, and they havent actually done anything wrong. Most people only have television to go on, in terms of the prison experience, and so can be forgiven for being perhaps a little idealistic about it all. Prison wouldnt be too bad really in terms of facilities and activities, but the company is ordinary at best.