Your argument is obviously lost when you resort to personal attacks on my intelligence. That is - belief in an intelligent design force is a mental disorder; such a view is a dawkinism and not a clinical phycologist analysis. I have phycologist clinicians within the family, and they are Christian.

You have presented no evidence that the unseen Creator designed the principles of matter and its behaviour. Obviously you believe the Dawkins delusion, who is neither a leading phycologist or serious science researcher, but an emotive evangelist for atheism - the sad bitter little man. In an interview done by Bern Stein with Dawkins in the film "Expelled" [though I think the film had too much emotive material] he almost concluded that there were some intelligent design that was not a result of natural selection i.e. a god force.

I do not agree with much that fundamentalist creationists hold too and have been denied from the Creation site. However it has not determined that because of their emotive views and action that I will now become an atheist. It is more that they will not accept any term that remotely involves a progression of species and blatently dismiss the whole theory. Many of them will not recognise God designed and used observeable natural forces. Such is the case on the subject of organic decay and death being a created design which I uphold from the same Biblical text they read

Some followers of a God, any God will not look at any evidence no matter how good.
If visitors from another world came, bringing evidence no God exists, some would still hold on the their own comfort blankets.
Maybe some need that blanket, that reason to hope some one is in charge, that the madness that life can be is planned.
Even for us who do not believe, the warm comfortable view is understood but tempting too.
I increasingly am unsure we have the right to call those who believe foolish or lessor people.
And at the same time challenge them, truly fairly honestly to confront the great harm those they follow inflict on us.
Catholics must ask why in the church that gave us mass Christianity have so many done so much wrong, why too have so many given protection to those who carry your Gods words to you.
Those two missing links may well have more humanity in their bones than some who serve a God.

AJ PhIIIps

Thank you for a glimpse into your journey - I expect the feeling of being duped would be one of the worst issues to work through. Once you understand the science, there really is no going back. This is why I can understand and accept those who retain a belief in their chosen religion without taking ancient texts literally.

PS - Good to know I gave you a laugh.

Philo

There are many highly intelligent people who have a delusional disorder, such as my friend who suffered from anorexia. AJ PhIIIps was not deriding your intelligence - just the beam in your eye that prevents you from understanding that this universe is even more amazing, enthralling and mysterious than any religion has ever been able to comprehend.

Interesting that those who understand science in general and evolutionary processes in particular are unanimous that there is no evidence that would sway creationists. What is required is a journey of psychological exploration that is not easy and too threatening for some to take even a first step.

This would not be of concern if people's religion did not have such a major impact on society in general from stunting education through to receiving special dispensation from taxes and even criticism - this delusion has to stop.

What evidence would sway creationists?

Certainly, from what our resident fundies have had to say so far, no amount of evidence would sway them. I think it's what known as "blind faith".

On the other hand, as AJ Philips demonstrates, it is possible for rational people to overcome their deeply ingrained delusions if they open their minds to the overwhelming evidence that supports Darwinian evolution.

And at the same time challenge them, truly fairly honestly to confront the great harm those they follow inflict on us.
Catholics must ask why in the church that gave us mass Christianity have so many done so much wrong, why too have so many given protection to those who carry your Gods words to you. [Belly].

Belly, many catholics raised, departed the catholic church in droves during the 90's never to return. I being one of them. However, I have parents and immediate family who are catholics practicing their faith who have not harmed people; instead supporting and caring for many people, nor have they or others within their congregations known or swept paedophilia under the carpet. I see your point in relation to those people, regardless of whether or not they are practicing catholics, who have given protection to paedophiles.

Here, you seem to be hinting at a generalisation that there are many people of catholic faith who have known about paedophilia and done nothing to address paedophilia.

False. No. Where I was raised in a large country town and churches [54,000 population back then] no paedophilia has ever come to light and that with a thousand at least in each catholic boys and girls schools over 20 years.

Most Australians I have grown up with that possess sensible down to earth faith have not protected paedophilia behaviour.

we are unique,
The resident atheists here prefer to degrade the person rather than stick with demonstratable evidence - there is no God. Their view of the Creator is immature and from the front lobe - man in the sky stuff.

Faith is not merely a belief in ideas, if that were the case the theory of evolution rates in that catagory. Faith demonstrates action on those ideas, that is why Christ taught inspirational hope and selfless love. These concepts are absent from the ideas of atheistic evolution and are demonstrated in the hoplessness of our youth currently leaving school. They have no foundations of reason for being and social responsibility.

At least the graduating youth in my church and many Churches I know commit themselves to charity work and overseas aid, because they believe God designed humans and He wants the best for their lives and for others. God's work is in education, feeding the hungry, and healing the injured and sick and building social values. That is why so many of them serve in the education, housing and medical fields. I am serving on the Board of a charity for intellectually handicapped to create satisfying work for them. The secular society has abandoned them to uslessness.

The atheist network promote abortion, euthenasia, no purpose for life or beyond life; that the person themself is the highest accountable authority. Hitler is the best example of one who demonstrated faith in Darwinism with his attempt to breed a superior race influenced through natural selection, and euthanise any who got in his way.