TRTL

you ask 'Isn't it rude to dismiss someone's hard work without even a second glance?'

I would suggest it is extremely rude to deny and dismiss the obvious (Creation and design). This is far more observable than the flawed evolution theory. Whether you choose to believe in it or not is your choice but to have the ever changing and lengthening time period needed for evolution taught as science is an insult to any thinking person's intelligence. The arrogance of the gw bandwagon was largest based on this flawed theory and computer modeling. By all means put your faith in this fantasy. Certainly many are wetting their pants with excitment yet again but as usual no true evidence is forthcoming.

Runner

I have a bikini you might like to borrow...

Isn't it time we moved beyond the scientism of dead white males like Darwin?
Multiculturalism shows us that there are as many diverse explanations for the origins of life as there are cultures, each of them equally valid.
What do the Navajos have to say?
What do the Pitjantjara believe?
Where do the Kalahari bushpersons stand on this?
We need to explore the depths of their wisdom to arrive at a more wholistic understanding of where we all came from.

*even hitting them over the head with a mallet of evidence will produce no result*

Hehe Pelican, that might just increase the size of runner's brain
and finally get him thinking for a change :)

I think people vary. I know some past creationists, JWs and
others, who eventually left their church. Even Farrell Till, an
expert on proving the many mistakes in the bible, is an ex preacher.

Most of them seem to think its not one single and final piece of
evidence that sways them, more like lots of little reasons, which
eventually add up over time. So even if they are in denial on OLO,
the many points made would still get many thinking. Eventually
one day, some simply can't accept the religious babble any more,
even if thrown out of their communities, as happens with ex JWs
ex Bretheren and others who leave.

Runner still can't name me a part of his brain that he has, that
a chimp or bonobo does not have. So I will have to keep reminding
him!

Severin,

Thanks for the laugh you gave me with that last comment. The whole office I work in went quite and looked at me to see what I was doing in my office.

To answer your question, yes, although I’m not proud of it, it wasn’t until I was an adult that I broke free from my Creationism - a young adult - but an adult nonetheless.

I was about 22 and had stopped going to church several years earlier when I was watching a documentary that - just as a passing comment - mentioned that plagues were once believed to be the actions of an angry God. Something in me at that moment clicked as I realised for the first time ever that maybe; just maybe, there were rational explanations for the stories in the Bible and the beliefs of those primitive people who wrote it. That was the beginning of my journey to rational thinking as one curiosity lead to another.

What is easy? Yes and no.

Yes, because the evidence for evolution was so abundant, rational and seemingly conclusive that it was impossible for someone without a thinking disorder to deny; but no, because I suddenly felt like I had been lied to by so many people that I loved and respected - including my own parents. But that feeling eventually faded and was reduced to a feeling of disappointment that those people could be so wilfully ignorant.

I can understand a child, or even a teenager believing in Creationism because they’re simply ignorant to the evidence of evolution; I can understand a child, or even a teenager having the stupidity to continue to deny evolution even when the evidence for it is shoved in their face.

I can understand an adult believing in Creationism because they’re simply ignorant to the evidence of evolution (as I was); but I cannot, for the life of me, understand how a grown adult can have the evidence for evolution shoved in their face and continue to deny it.

That, to me, can only be explained by a severe thinking disorder.

Philo,

<<The fact a humanoid type creature was found does not prove it was actually a genetic ancestor of modern man.>>

Correct.

But our knowledge of anatomies, chromosomes and geography, etc., give us the ability to determine that we would have at least shared a common ancestor with it. In fact, there are so many humanoid fossils that have been discovered, that scientists have difficulties agreeing on which ones we’re directly descended from.

Kinda blows a big hole in the false “there are no transitional fossils” argument of Creationists, doesn’t it?

<<Genetic information cannot be added to single cell creatures to create more complex species unless external design forces are involved.>>

This is a classic Creationist argument that myself and others have debunked so many times, that I’m gonna be lazy this time and simply post a link... http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB102.html

Read it an weep my friend.

<<Natural environment is not a breeding house for the complexity of species, or the formation of a single living cell.>>

Give me one reason why it’s not.

And if the natural environment is not a “breeding house” for the formation of a single living cell, then please answer my questions properly rather than resorting to the assumption that it was a God what done it.

<<It is as rational as the primitive theory that sour milk can of itself create maggots...>>

Then answer my questions.

<<Just read the Genesis account Genesis 3: 19 and you learn man was actually formed from the chemistry of the Earth - no new theory, just an understanding of a reality that has been presented for 5,000 years.>>

By the sweat of your brow you will eat your food until you return to the ground, since from it you were taken; for dust you are and to dust you will return?

So then, why do you reject it?

Sorry Philo, but the more arguments you present - that I’ve already debunked repetitively here on OLO - the more you confirm the point that the good Reverend and myself have made about Creationism being a thinking disorder, I’m afraid.