I was hoping to get your attention. I saw the story of the St Louis exorcism tonight, and did not know how prolific the practice of exorcism, its teaching and propagation remains in the world today, most especially by the catholics.

Father Hughes and Father Bowden (I'm sure I saw another Devil movie with Bowden in it opening with a shot of one of the nukes exploding in Japan. This in turn is amusing to me after hearing the Iranian Prez giving Auntie Sam a serve at their nuke conference on the news just a little while ago as the world's only atomic criminal.)

Anyway, I digress, but it was pointed out that in the case of Father Bowden, whilst he felt unqualified/scared/not up to it, he acted to help in the best interests of the child, as no one else was prepared to, allegedly. Now that's the Spirit.

The daily diaries of the exorcism have been published by *Tom Allen* from memory.

Of course, the parallel views of a Canadian neuro specialist were also interesting. He recorded the brain wave activity and patterns of people undergoing "the religious/paranormal" experience and then via a device dubbed the "God Helm" reproduced the experience in principal in others under scientific conditions during a medical study.

(Though the specific details of the experience varied per individual generally, i.e the catholics had Jesus, Mary or Devil experiences, and everyone else had experience consistent with their own personal religious/or otherwise beliefs, though notably some had an uplifting experince and others had an unpleasant one. No doubt genetic and environment factors play a part, as well as the neurochemcial balance of the wet web at the time.)

I was aware that they could record, but did not know that they had come so far in terms of being able to stimulate such specific brainwave activity. Most interesting ...

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DreamOn,

In my second post (the second post) on page 35 of this thread I also quote Dr Collins. There are bits missed out to make the point that you could retrieve from the original book. I can no longer locate a copy.

The quote gives an insight into the current approach to handling complaints of victims.

Dream On....Are being a bit harsh on Foxy?...Foxy seems to be a very moderate voice compared to many of the posters here.

This topic is an ugly topic for all people, not just Catholics.

Foxy has shown in other posts that she is not a fan of Pell, and I am sure if she could be Pope things would change very quickly.

Sadly, according to the Catholics, her gender outweighs her many qualities for the role.

Is this perhaps why they refuse to allow women to rise to the heights that their faith would drive them, in some religious organizations? - Do they fear...the clean-out?

Vote 1 Foxy for Pope!...lol

Not wanting to give energy to Proxy’s posts, but, could his link regarding alleged homosexuality and AIDS deaths amongst the priesthood in the USA, (if any of it is true), be an indicator why the church has wrongly done very little?

Now I am not qualified, nor have I seen any reasonable evidence to link homosexuality and child abuse. I am certainly not against homosexual priests.

However, if as the article alleges...the Catholic Church is losing so many priests to AIDS and it is a consequence of, as alleged, unsafe sex practices amongst the clergy, then, could the Church face a moral dilemma? Is it, in their minds, possible to turn the child abusing priests in the organisation, over to the Police, when so many priests are dying?

There is already a shortage of priests as alleged here - http://www.futurechurch.org/fpm/optcel/fact-sheet.htm

If many of it’s priests are homosexual, is the Church being ultra-hypocritical? And how hypocritical, are the priests who are homosexual, and, continue to discriminate against other homosexuals, chastising them from the pulpit?

Could this be the ultimate disguise? Why would a homosexual falsely attack another homosexual? Could it be for self protection? Jesus is watching you!

What did Jesus say of the Pharisees and how could this relate to child abuse in churches?
Jesus said Matthew 23:23…http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2023:23&version=NIV

And for all you Pell haters….http://www.theaustralian.com.au/news/nation/cardinal-pell-tipped-to-tackle-churchs-sexual-abuse-scandal/story-e6frg6nf-1225846184576

Is Pell the right man for the job?

Is his own record that good?....http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/07/08/2297082.htm

If their church is full of homosexual priests
"The Gay Priest Problem"
http://www.catholicculture.org/news/features/index.cfm?recnum=20565

and even homosexuals say that
"the gay lifestyle is a sewer"
http://www.tldm.org/News12/UKDocumentarianSaysGayLifestyleA'Sewer'.htm

is it any wonder that the Catholic Church stinks?

It is clear that the rise of a homosexual subculture within the Catholic Church acted to subvert the Church's teachings on morality and sexuality, ultimately leading to the homosexual abuse of many thousands of young boys.
RealCatholicTV:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ApcfDGFSpus&feature=player_embedded