All through my life I have had crushes on women, although I would describe myself as straight.

Time for a little fantasy and indulgence who would you 'turn' for?

Even just for one night?
(Or morning or afternoon)

I could list some people from my life - but that's boring unless you know me, so I'll start with the famous, just a few to start:

Sharon Stone
kd lang
Michelle Obama
Pink

The ONLY rule to this topic is that whoever you think is HotHotHot is the same sex as you. Some of you may find this too much of a challenge, your absence will be noticed.

:-)

What are you Sam Brett? Jesus.

I'll think about whether I can get in the spirit of a weed induced teen girl conversation and get back to you. Nobody comes to mind that I would want to shag, but there's people who I would like to be I suppose.

Excessive testosterone, perhaps?

cotter may be able to shed light.

Actually, granted it is Friday afternoon.

Hmmm. I want to be Hugh Laurie's House character. A master of sociopathic manipulation. Sure it's an unrealistic TV show, but he has so much fun. Plus he has easy access to a cocaine like drug.

I can see why girls like Pink. She's a damned scary butch chick. I think it's funny that if men don't come up with guys they want to shag, the predictible homophobic calls will come out. That's why I'm racking my brains. Oh no, that means I really am homophobic.

Oh, where's Eddie Macguire.

A better question would be do women just universally look better, or are men less socialised to be accepting of same gender crushes. Or is it just that men cant allow themselves to be vulnerable enough to want to be penetrated? But that would mean they'd still want to be the assertive partner. Runner's going to love this topic.

Personally, I'm obsessed with the female form, and the softness and smoothness, and I cant think of an effeminate enough guy. I will try though.

I should have added:

This topic is meant to be light-hearted.

However, at least we know we what we always suspected, Anti & Houllie aren't all that confident with their masculinity.

Joke fellas, joke. You don't have to actually go and bang your gay fantasy (or be banged by them).

ERIH

So it's a gay holding hands fantasy is it. Riiiiight.

Oh I so hope runner makes an appearance. It will be even more fun than when I earnestly told him the anus is a very sensitive area of the body.

How bizarre, I had a thread rejected a while ago asking about under age parents receiving financial support from the government being technically profit for crime but this ISN'T 'too out there' for the site...?.

Seriously Graham, WTF?. Anyway, sorry guys.

Congrats on sharing about your bisexuality though. HArd thing to do, for some. I lived with a lesbian for awhile - AWESOME girl - but she had REAL trouble with her family and she wound up getting involved with a bisexual as well. She had troubles with it.

Hope you don't mind me 'rail roading' the thread but what would be more of an enlightening and interesting thread would be how your partners and family go with it. Do your partners - if you have one, or two - know about your bisexuality, or is it something that hasn't been addressed?.

If you all don't mind discussing it of course. I'm hetero, so so far the issue hasn't arisen - lol so to speak - for me

I rename this thread; 20 - 1 better topics than the original topic.

Or maybe unproductive Fridays at work. Great to be making full use of the new posting limits. Oh how Graham will be proud.

Good one StG.

But, you can be hetero and enjoy group sex. Maybe it depends on your definition. My partner and I have had a few experiences with friends joining us (yes runner I know I'm going to hell) but we're still both hetero. Just generous experimental heterosexual people:-)

These things just happen sometimes, and it's more about the adventure and going with the moment than labels and defining your sexuality.

Houllie

You don't have to play if you don't want to.

StG

What part of light-hearted fun don't you get?

Maybe this will help.

A few years ago I saw the movie Bull Durham on TV. There was a scene in which the character played by Tim Robbins turned to Susan Sarandon's character with an expression that was so beautiful and so sexy that even my boyfriend thought Tim looked hot.

You don't have to be gay or even bi-sexual to feel a little bit moved by someone from your own sex. But you do need not to carry a load of sexual baggage around with you. Maybe you can let some go (anonymously) right now.

At least Graham Young didn't feel threatened by this topic.

"These things just happen sometimes, and it's more about the adventure and going with the moment than labels and defining your sexuality."

lol I'm sure Freud would disagree. ;o)

Hey, as long as it's genuinely emotionally and physically consensual from all party's - which I'm sure it is - then more power to you. Can't see you going to hell for having some fun in the sack - so to speak. Mate, gonna have a million one liners for this one. lol

Severin,

I'm sorry I took the title literally. Didn't realise you meant something else by "Who would you turn gay for?" and content from the initial post as other than 'I am bisexual'.

Didn't mean to insult you about your sexuality. I'm fine with my sexuality and my missus and I have a healthy sex life thanks. No baggage here, other than regrets on "meating" that neighbour that time years ago - way before my current partner.....well, maybe not so much regret...no definitely no regret. She was smoking hot.

StG

No offence taken. I just didn't want a discussion on gay politics, just a bit of fun. Now you've got me really curious about your neighbour...

;-)

I would turn gay for Antiseptic - he's so butch :)

"Now you've got me really curious about your neighbour..."

lol Nope, that one is just for me.

Dear Severin,

Who would I turn Gay for?

For me that wouldn't actually be that
difficult. As the saying goes -
"I can resist everything but temptation ..."
(Oscar Wilde nearly said words to that effect).

And sexually I'm not inhibited at all.
(I'll probably regret admitting this on a
public forum - but what the heck...)
If it feels good ...

Ok, let me see...

Two come to mind instantly:

1) Michelle Williams.

2) Kate Winslet.

I'll think of a few more later on ..

Yes I understand it is meant to be a fun thing but have you ever tried to walk like a crab, sideways while pressing certain part of you body firmly against the wall.
NOBODY not ever is my answer Gay? not even happy.
I remember a SGT of police who in his first ever year in the big smoke, 25 years country service, was kissed during the gay Mardi gra, the very first one.
Nothing against others sexual habits hope they are not offended by the thread but that country cop a good bloke much loved never got over his night at the festival.

I could possibly turn gay for my daaarling CJ Morgan.

pffffffwa (kisses) ( ;>#)

Ludwig, you know I will always love you, but Antiseptic is just so... manly.

Eva Longoria
Jennifer Lopez
Nanny Fine [?]
Michelle Pfeiffer [actress]

Sorry, quite a few years since viewing television, forgotten names yet remember dispositions, eyes, faces, figures/physical attributes.

CJ Morgan: <"I would turn gay for Antiseptic - he's so butch :) ">

haha ya little troublemaker ~

So would I.

If Antiseptic-types were the only males available I would definitely be able to turn gay.

Otherwise sorry girls, I adore kd, pink and Kate but I just )))shudder((( at the prospect of any genital fumbling with another female.

Many thanks to Foxy, we are unique & Pynchme for entering into the spirit of this topic.

Kate Blanchett
And definitely Michelle Pfeiffer
Grace Jones

Now guys, if you won't play I will have to play for you.

CJ Morgan
Someone definitely masculine, good looking, amiable, someone with whom you could down a few brews afterwards:

Jeff Bridges.

Antiseptic
Given that your posts reveal suppressed homosexual tendencies (how else to explain your 100% negativity towards women?) you will need a man you can respect, strong, no-nonsense, someone who will keep you in line:

Henry Rollins. http://tiny.cc/3cdJ0

Houellebecq
I think you'd want a real man's man, exciting and a little bit dangerous:

Errol Flynn.

Belly, you are complex, a thinking man, someone who shares your strong political conscience; just off the top of my head:

Bill Shorten.

StG
I don't know you that well, but someone who is good-looking, very intelligent and challenging:

Sam Harris

Severin
I love my female friends and I appreciate the beauty of the female form, but I'm with Pynchme I don't think anyone could entice me to the sexual although I did kiss a girlfriend once as part of a spin the bottle game/dare game.

I might let you pick for me too. :P

Mind you I saw a movie recently about two women who fell in love and they were both pretty sexy:

Piper Perabo and Lena Headey

Severin, Severin, doncha know it's a sin to encourage unhallowed discussions on sperm-wasting?

Hmmmmm.... If I DID play along I would say that I am a very feminine female and don't think I'd ever find other feminine types 'hot'. I'd definitely be attracted to FTM/butch types- the more they'd resemble a male the better!

But hey, I'm not playing along so I haven't 'really' said the above and therefore haven't sinned and will still go to heaven... oh bliss!

PS Imagine some more exclamation marks, the OLO exclamation mark detecting software made me remove it!

Severin oh puhlleassse can you match me too- wow I'm impressed, you should be a matchmaker of some kind. StG and Sam Harris... definitely a great match!

Dear Severin/Fractelle,

I'm so glad that you're back, well, and posting
again!

You've been missed!

I've got two more for myself:-

1) Audrey Tautou
2) Emily Blunt.

Have you read any of Jeanette Winterson's works?

"Oranges are not the only fruit,"
"The Passion," just to name two.

Hmmmm,

I've known the occasional woman or gay to turn *because* of me.
Does that count? :-0

I simply accept who I am and get on with life.
Naturally, I've wondered about being gay or what it would be like, but never over any specific person. If I have, then I don't recall who or when. Now, oral sensuality, with a block of good chocolate whell....

Heh heh heh

The penalty for not playing is I get to choose your gay perfect match.

Examinator
is someone who likes to study the minutia, turn things around, look at the issue from so many angles sometimes his posts are a little tangled. Your match needs to be highly intelligent and, from what I've heard, has a high libido:

Stephen Hawking.

Celivia

From your description your want a no-B/S sort of woman, a strong personality and exciting, three come to mind:

Chrissie Hynde (Pretenders)
Souixsie Sioux (Banshees)
Nico (Velvet Underground)

Ludwig
I have also missed out on Ludwig - while very intelligent tends to focus on pet subjects, easy peasy:

Pet Shop Boys (both of them)

Celivia,

This was kinda amusing till you opened your gob. Cheers.

You and a dog?

Wow Severin, good choice of topic- this discussion sure does make some forumites a little edgy!

Oh StG, I thought it was obvious that what I said was all tongue-in-gob, didn't expect you to be offended.

Naughty-naughty StG, if you have an urge to create a sub-topic to talk about beastiality... I can tell you my secret. 'Me and a dog' wouldn't do it for me. I'm more of a unicorn person.

Why so touchy about Sam Harris, StG? I reckon he's kinda cute ;)

Welcome back Celivia.

"I would turn gay for Antiseptic - he's so butch "

I know who would be doing all of the bending over. Prepare to yelp, pomernarian.

Sounds like you speak from experience, benk. Are you jealous?

Fear not - I think I have a bit of a crush on Sam Harris now. He seems to be much nicer than your chum, not to mention smarter and more successful :)

Lol! What a naughty thread this is!

Celivia, I don't believe I have met you before? I enjoyed your posts and especially Lol to the reference to the unicorn!

Hmmmm, I have not really thought of what women I may find attractive as I feel uncomfortable thinking of women in that way.

I guess I have thought some women were beautiful, such as Angelina Jolie, Elle McPherson and Grace Kelly.

One person I definitely wouldn't think of in that way is KD Lang, Severin!
She has a stunning voice, but that's all!

StG

I thought Sam Harris was a very respectful choice, attractive, intelligent, intellectual. Your comment to Celivia was most uncalled for and not in the spirit of this thread. Perhaps I should reconsider your gay match, seeing as you have not opted to to play. Maybe Christopher Hitchens would be more of an 'eye-opener' for you, while very intelligent, he is bombastic, irritable, overweight (poor you) and likes to have the last word no matter what.

Benk

You have not elected to play. Therefore, I must consider carefully your gay match. You tend to cast women as all bad, never call Antiseptic out when he is being personally insulting to others. I do believe that you have had a difficult time however - but you probably need to know what it is like being controlled by men who really don't care about your feelings. Now I have it; some time in prison with:

Chopper Read.

Suzeonline
Don't you think kd looks a little like Brian Ferry? No matter, you did put forward some same sex people you found attractive, so I won't select for you.

Severin

Yes Madam.

Severin: << Chopper Read >>

LOL! As it happens, the mental image I have of Antiseptic is very similar to Chopper Read. Except for the ears of course - not that I imagine Anti using his very often, at least when it comes to women ;)

How come nobody has opted for Patrick Swayze or the delightful Eddie Izzard?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFdmG-TRxzE

"I would turn gay for Antiseptic - he's so butch "

Benk: "I know who would be doing all of the bending over."

Could be the other way around Benk with Antiseptic's shreiks going from HTFU to, "STFU!" "STFU!"

HAAAAHAAAAAAAAAAAA Severin, you sure know how to pick 'em!

Sam Harris is cute indeed- if I were male and were playing along, I'd be proud to be matched with him!

Hi CJ,
Thank you, I'm glad to be back!

Suzeonline, pleased to meet you! There are several people I haven't bumped into yet (such as Benk) because I've been away for quite some time.

I'm slightly envious that Benk gets to spend time with a crim.
(Remember, it's "BYO" lube)!

*sigh*
I will have to make-do with a fantasy about my visit to Renae Lawrence.

I am gobsmacked at the cowardice of male OLO posters.

No-one here have a little crush on George Clooney?

I bet Anti secretly yearns for Arnie (during his Conan the Barbarian phase).

Benk

Good boy.

Lol and giggle, Celivia and Severin! Gee, I am glad you ladies have joined up again. I do prefer a good laugh rather than a 'he said/she said argument with some other posters!

Severin, Benk is not that bad though! He has called 'septic out on my account a couple of times, and can occasionally comment on unrelated subjects without always bringing up the dreaded feminist/single mother/family law discussion.

Pynchme, I laughed at your naughty suggestions of some conversations for 'septic and Benk in jail... not that I condone them in any way of course...

I had a good chuckle when I read this from antiseptic.

>>Hmmmm, I've known the occasional woman or gay to turn *because* of me.<<

Then I realized that I had read it as:

"Hmmmm, I've known the occasional woman to turn gay *because* of me."

I'm still not sure that my reading was wrong.

Pericles I think that was examinator.

Severin I pick Hugh Jackman.

This post carries an abbreviated long winded disclaimer which basically say's I have not the slightest interest in turning gay for anybody but don't want to be a spoilsport (or get assigned a certain religious extremist as my cell mate).

R0bert

Pericles,Pelican
Many moons ago I was asked to produce/direct a gay review once because I was seen as neutral ? Hmmm??

Those who have been around 'stage tranies' will know the prevalence of the double entendre and bitchiness.

During rehearsals gay male 'stars' claimed that I was enough reason to turn them straight.
And the girls reckoned I was enough reason to turn them gay.

Humf :-(

I took my girlfriend now wife to see the show.
She went white and looked like she was about to fainted, when 'Sue' a 6 ft something ex wharfie (big) drag queen replete in pale blue lurex evening gown and gloves, welcomed us at the door. 'Sue' turned arround to the others saying "Ok girls, time to focus the big cheese stick's (head) here." waving her cocked little finger.
Then she smiled showing her front tooth gap, gave my girlfriend a kiss on the cheek with "don't worry about, me dear, I spoken for. We just like to keep him in line."

I found out later she had never seen or experienced drag queens/ female impersonators before. Sure she'd seen the odd gay designer but that was it. It hadn't occurred to me that this was so confrontingly foreign. in the mid 70's

Needless to say the conversation while having coffee alone with the girlfriend later, involved a *lot* of verbal tap dancing. Eeek!

She didn't tell her parent where we'd been because quote "mum had heart problems".

I think I've finally worked out why so many of the "ladies" here are so ardently opposed to men: they see us as sexual competitors...

It is interesting that so many women are drawn to other women sexually, whereas so few men are drawn to other men.

I see my daughter amd her schoolfriends routinely hug and kiss each other godbye and hello, but boys would never do that.

When I was at uni, I can recall several of the women having a fling with each other at one time or another (including a girl I was especially struck with), often forming quite long relationships, yet when meeting them years later they were married with children and doing the full suburbanite schtick.

It also seems to me that the "bull dyke" is a far less common figure than the "flaming queen" within their respective communities. Perhaps that is because female homosexuality is a far nore widespread meme and hence there are more "normal" girls within that community, whereas male homosexuality is less "normal" and so more extreme examples predominate. I'm not sure if that's cultural or the expression of a broad phenotype.

I'm sure that all of the men here (and the Pomeranian) are being honest in stating that they've never been attracted to other men. Even forming friendships with other men is something that many struggle with, especially as they get older.

I doubt it has anything to do with the "fear of being penetrated" as the feminist critique would have it.

Pericles:"I had a good chuckle when I read this from antiseptic."

Except that it wasn't from antiseptic, as others have pointed out. Bugger those preconceptions, eh? I always get a good chuckle when some nitwit is so desperate to have a go at antiseptic that they grasp at straws dropped by someone else.

Pericles:"I'm still not sure that my reading was wrong."

And examinator agrees with you

R0bert

The first post I read this morning was yours - thank you for the hearty laugh you gave me. Nothing like a good hit of humour to start the day. I think Hugh Jackman is a superb choice and I'm sure if Hugh knew you, he would reciprocate :-)

Pericles

I do like you, but this thread isn't about playing favourites, it's about choosing your perfect gay-match; as you didn't play. You are a great linguist, witty and staunchly opposed to religious extremes - you deserve an equal foil:

Father Bob Maguire

Examinator

Again you looked at the issue from another angle, like any good scientist, Stephen Hawking would be pleased to see you.

Antiseptic

I see Henry Rollins has his work cut out for him - but he has a great sense of humour and is certainly more than enough man for you.

"I wish I knew how to quit you"

- Jack Nasty

Excellent work DD, for bringing Brokeback Mountain reference into this thread.

Well done Severin. Chopper Read is the only man that I can think of with the "persuasive skills" to "convince" me to turn gay.

one can learn a lot from watching movies about "professional queers" [thankfully E Annie P did not use the word gay, pronked after the time]

main issue is Jack Nasty may well service you via the back door but will probably also be into woolies [and gumboots]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yJX9JwxC25k

Actually, Severin, I did mean to avoid this thread completely.

>>this thread isn't about playing favourites, it's about choosing your perfect gay-match; as you didn't play.<<

I didn't "play", on the basis that I saw it as an entirely no-win situation.

By not contributing, I am open to the charges you made earlier, from your first threat... "Some of you may find this too much of a challenge, your absence will be noticed."... to the specific put-down... "what we always suspected, Anti & Houllie aren't all that confident with their masculinity"

But I find it entirely impossible to contribute honestly. I'd have to make something up, find a witty observation to surround it with, and join in the giggling.

This worried me. Just a little. Why couldn't I make the effort?

Yesterday, I realized.

The whole "who would you turn gay for" schtick, is actually a chick thing.

Let me see if I can explain.

A significant proportion of my male acquaintances will fantasize about two ladies getting it on with each other, hammer and tongues.

Make that, the vast majority. It's highly visual, and intensely erotic.

Does the reverse work the same way?

Be honest.

Does the idea of being in the same room as two blokes making the beast with two backs turn you on?

I know that two blokes paying attention to you at the same time might, that's quite normal.

But two guys? Humping? Each other?

Really?

So if it's all the same to you, I'll stay on the outer.

Pericles

I have found two men kissing very erotic - if I found the men attractive, ditto two women.

Nor is it a "chick thing". I guess we mix in different social circles but I have plenty of straight male friends who have no trouble identifying men they think are attractive. Doesn't mean they want to engage tongue tango - but they can get the sexuality.

Sexuality is not a black and white, an either/or thing. A straight male friend got blow-job from a male while on holiday in Europe - just to see what it was like. Plenty of "straight" men in men-only situations such as prison, at sea, etc aren't so picky when the choice is all male.

I can understand why men find two chicks getting it on attractive - but what I find hilarious is that men think the "chicks" would be interested in the male voyeur. Like a spare dick at a wedding - not much use for anyone.

No I don't watch gay male porn, but then I don't watch any porn of any hue. That's just me. Not into porn. But many others are and I'm betting there's some straight males who would find gay male porn arousing, maybe not you and that's cool.

This was just a bit of fun and kudos to all who joined in.

And raspberries to those who didn't.

'what I find hilarious is that men think the "chicks" would be interested in the male voyeur. Like a spare dick at a wedding - not much use for anyone.'

Is that what men think? That is funny. You learn something every day.

Just like the day I learnt that all men explicitly decide whether each and every new women they encounter is f*ckable or not. You really should teach us more about men Fractelle. It's fascinating.

One would think the average voyeur would be interested in the viewing, with no desire for reciprocal interest.

I'll accept the raspberry, Severin, with good grace.

>>This was just a bit of fun and kudos to all who joined in. And raspberries to those who didn't.<<

But just one tiny point. You didn't actually answer the question.

"Does the idea of being in the same room as two blokes making the beast with two backs turn you on?... two guys? Humping? Each other?"

You replied with

>>Pericles I have found two men kissing very erotic<<

Hmmm.

I'm with you Pericles! I find the sight of two guys getting it on together on screen as a complete turnoff for me... good looking or not.

I did like watching 'Queer As Folk' on TV though. The main gay male character was just so attractive I couldn't turn it off.
However, I will admit to covering my eyes during the gay love scenes!

I am also uncomfortable when two women are on together on screen as well, although I know men seem to like that!
Go figure!

Pericles

Like many women, I don't find the gynaecological type porn all that stimulating irrespective of the sex. An anus is an anus, is an anus.

I don't mind seeing two guys kissing and caressing each other. Thinking "Queer as folk", "Brokeback Mountain", most recently "A Single Man" - Colin Firth!?! What's not to like?

Houellie

Incorrigible as always. Are you saying you wouldn't want to join in with two chicks?

Have you never checked out a woman and thought "I'd do her"? Or, conversely, thought "Wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole"?

If you can honestly answer 'no' to any question - what a strange man you are.

Foxy

If you are still reading this thread, I haven't read any Jeanette Winterson books, although I have heard of her and now you have stirred my interest... am going to the library this week, will let you know if I read her.

Finally, thank you again to those joined into the lighthearted spirit of this thread - some of you have surprised and pleased me a lot. I love learning more about people. Forums tend to show only a narrow perspective of people.

Cheers m'dears

Fractelle,

'Are you saying you wouldn't want to join in with two chicks?'
No. I'm saying I wouldn't think the two chicks would necessarily be interested. You seem to have a real problem with simple comprehension.

'Have you never checked out a woman and thought "I'd do her"?'
No. Well, I often check out women, but I don't think 'I'd do her'. I would naturally be happy to engage in sex with the people I'm attracted to if I wasn't committed to my current relationship, but I don't routinely assess whether I would have sex or not with every woman I meet.

'Or, conversely, thought "Wouldn't touch her with a ten foot pole"?'
Never. If I'm not attracted to someone, the thought of sex with them doesn't enter my mind.

Maybe you should stop reading Ralph magazine to find out what makes all men tick.

Finally, thank you again to those joined into the lighthearted spirit of this thread

--

but is that not the problem?

history is queers were simply like other folk pre 1980

then came AIDS and for a short while queers were public enemy #1 as 90% of AIDS was spread by queer men from anal sex - in Oz we had Grim Reaper.

then America realised that they had what Sadam could not do with Chemical Ali, ie a huge army to spread AIDS in oil producing countries like Africa and America only had to do as they are doing and hold back the supply of the anti viral drugs.

countries in Africa have lost half population and very shortly will do the contra "oil for AIDS drugs" deals Bush intended as "Oil for Aid" in Iraq.

But AIDS army is totally free to USA govt and has made Hitler look like a sunday school teacher with a loust 6 million dead.

and so the Grim Reaper bit the dust, "gay", "homophobe" etc got pronked and gay worship took over america, and as you see anal sex in Brokeback is totally fine for little kiddies to see on UTube.

That's the problem with warm and cuddly gays - it's really gay