The sexual revolution has done nothing for anybody, but women themselves. Women giving birth in their forties, has got to be the worst ever. 10% of all kids born are autistic. Two incomes have done nothing, but over inflate house prices. And these people carry the nations debt. When you are grey in the head, you will still be paying mortgage, and changing nappies. It's all about me me me.

Ah. I'd forgotten I was at the headquarters of the one-eyed-male-victim-society.

Cheer up lads. Someday you'll realize that the world isn't just out to get men.

... hopefully.

Antiseptic: "Some seem to think that only women are capable of being the subject of unfairness."

Nope. Both are. Both are quite capable of whingeing about it too and pretending their side is the only one who is suffering, leading them to ignore the other side entirely.

I do agree with you in regard to finally coming to terms with the sexual revolution. The difference is that I think it was ultimately necessary, though like every leap forward it takes time to deal with.

benk: "Men are under substantial pressure not to sleep around"

The discussion began about men in nightclubs. Are young men in nightclubs under substantial pressure not to sleep around?

Last time I checked, it was usually a badge of honour, in stark contrast to women.
So this "garbage" tends to be right in most instances I'd argue.

Frankly, I think a large number of guys don't take this "pressure" that you speak of seriously, given the examples you gave. Except after a breakup when someone is left emotionally hurt. That however, cuts both ways. Both can feel guilt after a breakup. The only exceptions are hardened people - male or female. This "men are the only ones who cop it" stuff, now that's garbage.

Desmond: It's those people's choice. Good thing people are living longer. If they're dumb enough to have kids at that age, well, that's their call. It's not about you, you, you.

Dear Desmand,

We can criticize young people - we can blame the
so called "sexual revolution" on permissive behaviour,
however, the picture is not predominantly dark. A great
majority of young people behave responsibly. There are
many more serious students in high school and university
than there have ever been before. Tens of thousands
have risked jail working against an illegal war.
Young people are more outspoken on topics they feel
concerned about ranging from abortion, homosexuality,
and so on.

Parents today find it particularly difficult to know
how much direction to give their children male and female
about sexual matters. I'm not assuming that there is only
one right set of morals. Morals will always be quite
different in different countries, at different social levels
even in the same community, and somewhat different in every
family. I'm only encouraging parents to be clear and firm
in passing on the set of morals and ethics which they
themselves believe in.

As Bel Mooney pointed out in the Daily Mail, "We are unique,
complex, multi-faceted creatures...shaped by our family
values, by personal reactions to events, and by the culture
we inhabit..."

As a parent all I can hope to do is teach my children
responsibility for their own choices and as I lose
my children to the great seduction called life, I have to also
learn to let go. Letting go is a most timportant step;
letting go of roles and the power we have had all of our lives
as parents. Letting go and having faith
that the lessons learned will be remembered. It's not easy,
but it's necessary, unless you want to be a parent who
has to be "dealt with" instead of a parent to whom they
will continue to turn to for advice.

Turnrightthenleft

"Last time I checked, it was usually a badge of honour, in stark contrast to women." I'm guessing that last time you checked was quite a while ago.

Men who sleep around put alot of effort into persuading their victims that they are looking for something long term. They are careful not to discuss their conquests too openly and exaggerate how hurt they were when their last relationship ended. Oh, and lets not forget all of those special, teary, "you said that you would call me...you barstard" moments.

By contrast, women who sleep around cannot help themselves but big-note. It gets the attention of gullible blokes who will put them up on the pedistool where they feel at home. Plenty of women will piss in the pocket of these tramps as well. No matter how over-confident a woman is being, there always seems to be people around who have learned that it is safer to applaud high self esteem than criticise arrogance.

Foxy

Agreed and well put.

Youthful exuberance and risk taking are to be expected, condoned even. Risk-taking cannot be or made 'safe' through State bans, the only reasonable response is to raise youth who are informed, resilient and make good members of society. That is achieved through setting boundaries early in life and being adult enough to be their advisor and support, not their friend.

Nightclubs, drunks and bad behaviour
The misfortune is that nightclubs and pubs are usually the only venues available that offer the music, dancing and opportunity to dress up a bit and socialise - innocent enough pleasures in themselves that young people, especially young women, are looking for.

However, nightclubs are almost invariably owned and run by the seediest members of society, who daily demonstrate their unsuitability for owning a liquor licence, which for some is just a front for more lucrative criminal activities. The crux of the problem is in the policing. There is so much money in drugs that corruption is inevitable, which is a compelling reason for regular mobility of senior police and others in high places, including parliament.

I don't believe that the sexual revolution has anything to do with 99.99% of the serious risks we are concerned about with youth.

Of course if you were the Pope you'd damn the Pill and want to roll back the sexual revolution because that is how you lost most of your control over people. Ah, the salad days of the fundamentalist religions, when sex was a forbidden, guilty, dirty thing - unless authorised to produce more 'lambs' for the priest's flock of course.

In my second paragraph above, the second sentence should have read, "Risk-taking cannot be prevented or made 'safe' through State bans, the only reasonable response is to raise youth who are informed, resilient and make good members of society."