My Dear Peter V

what absolute twaddle & nonsense are you offering in this post, the question is about Australia growing up and becoming it's own 'person' not an appendage of the UK. so get back to the question and stop promoting a false church only intent on gouging money for the leaders from the disillusioned members.
QE2 as leader of 'The Church of England', by right of birth, has nothing to do with most Australians

The Queens loyal and equal servant King Belly, under Australian Law, does not have to bend his knee to anyone except God. He is granted by S 13 and 15F Crimes Act 1914 ( Cth) absolute equality to the Crown or Sovereign, to commence and prosecute either civilly of criminally any offence against the laws of the land detected by him.

The people stopping him are all in the legal profession, that nest of vipers described in Matthew 3: 7-12. The vipers in the Bible were Pharisees and Sadducees and those today are the corporate slaves licenced to steal by the same type of Corporate State, that was oppressing the Jews two thousand years ago.

John the Baptist exhorted them to “Bring forth fruits meet for repentance.” In modern English, that Royal Tongue, it means conduct yourself in a manner pleasing to Almighty God. A manner pleasing to Almighty God is the manner prescribed by Jesus Christ. The conduct of courts: They were places of worship, where prayers were answered, but today they have become Temples of Commerce. It was not by chance that KR replaced JH. Almighty God was not pleased with JH, because he had left the fold, especially by inflicting arbitrary fines on sovereign individuals, on orders made by a public servant in the Workchoices Legislation.

There are still those in government who think like King Herod. He could and did arbitrarily execute all the male babies in Jerusalem. Jesus was taken away by Almighty God, to Egypt, outside his jurisdiction, and only returned after he died. Arbitrary jurisdiction was given up by Almighty God to Jesus Christ in John 5 Verses 22 and 23. Jesus Christ gave up arbitrary jurisdiction, in Luke 12 Verse 10-12, when he made denial of the Holy Ghost the only unforgivable sin. Summary exercise of power is abusive.

The central theme of Christianity is the Trinity. The Queen must subscribe to it, and only after the ruling of two or more gathered together, is law made. Repentance means to turn to the ultimate authority, Almighty God who has made everyone sovereign

I think you're losing them all Peter. I applaud your attempts of enlightening them to our true plight but I feel that using reference to the bible is lost in this day and age. By showing them with reference to the bible where religion has lead them and is leading them, you bring out their religious anti-isms. Unfortunate I know, that the true problem with all that is - has been a manipulation of religion past and present, soon as you try to use it to educate them you're toast!

For those that think I might be a religious nutcase as I believe you believe Peter to be, I can assure you I'm not one bit. But we need to understand that where our society has arrived and the laws that govern us have all stemmed from religion and still do.

Read what Peter is saying and try not to let your anti religious thoughts distract you from the truth in his words.

I might be wrong, but I don't think Peter actually believes in the Queen her self and that of our Monarchic governmental system, but that we're all sovereign and don't need all these bullsh!t labels to define us as sovereign individual human beings.

It's something that's bothered me all my life. The question of who has the right to govern any sovereign individual human being without their consent, whether by mob rule (democracy as you would call it) or other?

We're born free, yet none of us die free. I don't need a flag, king, queen, politician or anything to tell me that!

PV you most certainly know how to pull peoples chains.
You and I both know that grumpy old lady, her majestic what ever ,is Queen of Australia, hence the seal changes.
And you seem more than a little kind with that number of Victorians you find behind your opinion.
Now King Belly, no mate it would be the fastest abdication in history, and my speech would insure no one would ever want a monarch again.
The pure strangeness of it, so very many years after the magna carta yet some still want to keep a silly figure head, boring self serving old lady, as head of state?
If it will make you happy give the crown to Dame Edna, make her stable of Barry Humphrey stars her royal family.
Let her confer knighthoods on who she will instead of fat ex Polly's then I will enjoy being a serf.

I'm no Monarchist but I don't hate them. I have no problem with my history or the history of my nation. I bow to no King or Queen but if met face to face in formal circumstance I would be formally polite in the same way I would be to members of ANY royal family - and informally my greeting would be eye to eye and with friendly "G'day".

I ABSOLUTELY refuse to have anything to do with the Republic of Australian Cultural Cringe.

I am unsure just what you want to say spinner.
I too would act with good manners and very informal if meeting this family.
But cultural cringe?
Do you think wanting to be a republic, like Canada-or America is a cringe.
I have no intention in starting this thread to forget our history.
It is in my view a cultural cringe thinking being our own country is betraying our past/soldiers who fought/England .
A current e mail circulating showing our flag, British emblem and all, quotes southern cross and says changing it it a betrayal.
our history is not standing still one day people of-non British back ground will be the majority, I do not fear that, we are all Australians what value however their history?