Citizenship tests, or.. Visa conditions should also consider LOYALTY to our allies and our country.

USA
"Over a thousand Somali Muslims demonstrated in Minneapolis yesterday in favor of the Dark Ages Islamist regime in Somalia; the Star Tribune report has a typically ridiculous headline: Area Somalis want peace for homeland."

Any demonstration in favor of our ENEMIES (which the Islamic Courts are) should be dealt with on the basis of TREACHERY and also, under our laws, I think they could be arrested. (Giving comfort to enemies)?

The USA government has supported the Ethiopian intervention, and understandably so. So, to side with the enemies is to be a traitor.

Multi-culturalism is death, so it should be killed off quickly.
Citizenship tests are not about a 'white' Australia, they are about a harmonious and surviving Australia.

Our greatest enemy is our division, our scattered thoughts about who we are, our lack of cohesive social and national identity.

It is tragic that post modernism has infected our youth like an educational Golden Staf on steroids.
Equally tragic is the lack of philosophical underpinning which can give people the passion to act in defense of their culture and homeland.

I can point to 'Christ' as a unifying force, but, to be true and legitimate in God's eyes, such a committment must be on the level of the individual heart. I suppose government can indeed provide a framework which is more condusive and less antagonistic, but this is also treading on dangerous ground. But to 'not' take the first step, means no journey at all, no matter how long or short. No steps takes us nowhere. It is easier to steer a moving object that motivate a stationary one.

BOZY declared- Multi-culturalism is death, so it should be killed off quickly.

Yeah ok, so how do you do this?

Do we rescind all anti-discrimination policies (which also protect Christians), send all non white people back to their country (even the one's born here generations ago before), do some ethnic cleansing?

Multiculturalism, in what ever form demographically is the reality of the times.

What we are all trying to come to terms with is what kind of MC should we adopt?

For example should we have

• Left- Liberal MC which emphasizes cultural differences and suggests the stress on the equality of 'races' smothers those important cultural differences that are responsible for different behaviours, values, attitudes.

• 2. Liberal MC which argues that a natural equality exists amongst all but defines MC through citizenship and is based on ideas of sameness only through an intellectualism, not policy or law.

• 3. Conservative MC (South Africa in apartheid times) where blacks and yellows and 'Others' slaves, entertainers, servants, where the majority are self congratulatory buffoons celebrating their version of 'multiculturalism'. (and where DB can preach and proselytise) .

As previously stated MC is here to stay as demographic and global condition of human movement.

There's no holding back the tide, and making social policies that keep us all afloat will be sustainable. And number 3 above is simply impossible to recreate anywhere - so stop dreaming.

Celivia,
What i find offensive is that some people use our present easy citizenship provisions to simply gain advantage for themselves and are not interested in Australia. They live here for the required 2 years and as citizens they are able to get social welfare, then leave and continue to get welfare at our expense. If you doubt this takes place, in todays "Oz" they say 900 people were caught,in NSW alone, last year, trying to get others here on permanent visas with fake marriages. Not everyone is as honest as we would like

I do not know how you think that the new citizenship test has anything to do with terrorism as it it not mentioned anywhere. It is designed to help deter those that simply want to take advantage of us.

Yes we have allowed 6.5 million immigrants here since WW11 and most have settled in well. There are some exceptions however. We have a problem with Lebanese Muslim males with anti-social behaviour and their attitude to females and the marriage scam thing as noted above seems mainly confined to Asians as is the girls brought here as sex slaves. The new citizenship provissions do not address immigration matters.

Rainier,
Your post of yesterday is an excellant example of a multiculturalist using the race card.

Don't count on MC being arround for much longer. Rudd has now changed to integration policy and the Libs will follow shortly. Even the Poms have woken up to how damaging MC is and Blair has dumped it.

Leigh and Col Rouge,
Conclusion re MichaelH. His posts are deliberate. It suits his infantile humour. Another good education wasted on an idiot. Ignor him.

That multiculturism has failed is obvious.
There are just too many migrants who neither recognise it or are only
interested in being in their own mono-culture. The mono-culture nature
of the prison population reinforces that impression.
In parts of Sydney monoculturism is now starting into its third generation.

We should immeadiatly revert to European immigration only.
However with water shortages being with us for the indefinate future
we may need to stop all immigration.

Col Rouge-
Your "mandatory competence in English to qualify for citizenship in Australia"-how does it apply to an already mentioned here million of completely illiteral locally born and grown up Anglos AND on other hand, Australian-born offspring of the "non-qualified in English" by local racists from Anglo-background?

You exemplify perfectly a notion of a stupid, xenophobic racist in this forum definitely. Thank you for understanding this clear explanation.

RaggedtyAnnie-
"The average born here Australian knows" of local history as much as of any other subject.
They are not prepared even to pass elementary tests passed by newcomers while intellectual level of new residents had been estimated with "English proficiency tests" already using an acquaintance with mere English history and London's streets as a very precondition to have tests passed.

Yung Yong -
Bravo, you've summarized what I start this message with already.

To my understanding, Howard government rightfully reflects his electorate's need on unstoppable personal financial gain by producing nothing but benefiting from discrimination and exploitation on biological grounds in time when Europeans know much of English xenophobic racist reality, which resulted in a diminishing influx of European migrants to a hopeless place being of instant desperate need for newcomers. And an international pressure compliments this urge for a chip labor and simply numbers of "being served", by acceptance of people from Africa and Muslim world.

Michaelk “You exemplify perfectly a notion of a stupid, xenophobic racist in this forum definitely. Thank you for understanding this clear explanation.”

There is nothing to thank me for,
You have made no explanation.

I have no need to rely on your assessment to my competency or stupidity. I will rely on other posters to decide both my and your levels of intellectual competency and if that is anything like our relative competence in English, you are dead in the water.

Use all the words you want, hurl abuse at me and suggest I am a xenophobe. As for racist, yours are the words of the racist, as evidenced by your continual references to “Anglos”, not that it matters, if your use of grammar is anything to go by, you have not a clue what these words mean anyway.

Example “Yung Yong - Bravo, you've summarized what I start this message with already.”

Yung Yong started the thread, not you. Yung Yong expressed an opinion regarding compulsory English Tests for Citizenship which we have been debating.

Re Banjo “Conclusion re Michaelk. His posts are deliberate. It suits his infantile humour. Another good education wasted on an idiot.”

Must agree there Banjo.