Dear Belly,

Don't you dare even think of leaving.
You keep us balanced - and you've got
integrity to spare. You've never deliberately
hurt or insulted anyone - and we regard you
as family. We love and respect you.
Please stay?

Dear Ludwig,

I know that population growth and sustainability
are major peeves for you.

No one is denying the fact that there are huge problems
on us being able to not only sustain the population
we currently have, let alone a growing population.

We're faced with enormous problems in this country,
from pollution, droughts, urban encroachment, severly
stressed water supplies, transport, and so on.

However, that's why I suggested that the current
Government be judged after two terms in office.

Give them a chance to implement their programs.
Let's wait and see what sort of National Infrastructure
they're planning to put in place, let's see what sort of
urban rail projects they have in mind, what sort of Land
Supply Arrangements for the States and Territories,
and so on.

Kevin Rudd discussed some of these projects with
Kerry O'Brien on the ABC - perhaps you saw the program?

The PM told Kerry:

"National Leadership is necessary to plan for the
future of our population. A challenge which has
been left to languish before..."

All I'm saying is don't follow Abbott's & Co. mantra of
condemnation. Judge, when the current Government
has been in power longer than just one term.
They've had a lot to deal with in their first term in
office - and seeing us through the Global Financial
Crisis successfully - with their quick and decisive
action - has been quite an achievement in
itself.

An open post to belly.

Listen,the bottom line is that you stated to insult me right away from the begginning,the minute i posted the topic.
Look at the posts and you will see.
All i wanted was to have a debate.
I reported because you were insulting me.And thats a fact
Well im sorry but if you cant handle anothers opinion ,dont post anything then.
Remember one thing, this is a virtual communitty,an online communitty all this crap about respect this and respect that,get real.
I think you should debate poeople more and use your anger within your posts to put ideas accross instead of:

'' The Oscar the grouch I am aware of gos through life with some ones hand up his bottom and lives in a garbage can.
Good place for this thread.''

That was the first post.
And then again you said

''And not very bright? well you started that rubbish I will leave it to you but tie your dog up.
If he/she leaves home the average family IQ will drop ten points.''

What you said was the type of thing that i dont thing you would say to anyone face-to-face.

And then you wonder why i reported you.

Accept the fact you have not debated at all but insult me.
Cop this on the chin and remember for next time.

You see i debate. i dont insult unless i am provoked and other uses could also see your rudeness as well.All you have to do is read all the posts.

Im sorry but i will not stand for it.

And if your a labor voter, big deal get over yourself ,and accept opinions of our Prime Minister.

I hope next time this is a proper debate and not this childish crap.

If you apologise to me maybe we can get past it all.

I apoligize for anything i said about you anyway.
I hope we can debate in the future.

Belly, you're not leaving. While we often disagree, I respect you as much as I do anybody here. You speak from the heart, with rare honesty.

Just ignore this apparently hypersensitive troll. We've seen worse, and there'll be plenty more.

Get well soon, mate :)

Belly, for what it's worth, I would not like to see you go either.

Now as for me predicting the future for 2010, I will wait until there is an outcome from Copenhagen, which, by the way, is what Krudd should have done before trying to ram his ETS down our necks.

At present, it looks like we would have been in the 'vast minority' if we had gone to the summit with an ETS in place and, as I have said before, this may well come back to haunt him.

Now blind freddie knows that the libs don't stand a chance in hell of winning the next election, much the same as labor was before they found Rudd.

The interesting point will be whether they loose ground or not and, if they do, it will be yet anothet hollow victory for labor.

Dear Belly

As you might know, I'm a new kid on the block at OLO.
I've found it a particularly stimulating forum - I don't know if there's anything else like it around.
I hope that you will decide to stay...

Rather than wade through all the technical information, may I respectfully suggest you ALL google 'Professor Bob Carter' then find and WATCH '7 torpedoes' both informative and funny. He will explain the 'scam' perpetrated by political entities and inform you all of facts I'll bet you didn't know. A real eye opener. Do it for yourself and everyone else who thinks the world is heating up with human contributed CO2.
The gang of 4 who have destroyed the Aussie dream for all time are ..
Whitlam, Hawke, Keeting, Rudd [ personal opinion ]