I recently read an article that stated Kevin Rudd would fade into being the most insignificant prime Minister the nation has ever seen.
I think Kevin Rudd was and is obsessed, to be, and with being, prime minister, and to enjoy and indulge in having this position. In this, I mean that he is vain, with a huge ego; he enjoys the endless travelling, the fine food and wine, and the endless schedule that enables him to meet with people and be seen. To be never in the one place, to tell himself that he is a human being making a difference.
This also satisfies his psychological need to be a workaholic. No work is ever completed, it’s just his time filled up with endless trivia. This also feeds is huge ego.
This can be seen in the Copenhagen Climate change summit. This is a typical example of all his personal psychological forces at work powered by his vain ego. An entourage of over a Hundred plus a personal photographer.
This is dangerous because here we have a Man, the leader of our sitting parliament that in effect does not do anything. His decisions, his personality does not effect any form of change within the party or the nation. We now are past the Howard ‘’Paranoid terrorists will rule the world era’’ ,however as a nation we have gone backwards and have become stagnant, even now owing on foreign debt as his government used the surplus left to us by the Howard government, to pay for his ‘’ Save the Australian economy fund’’.
Why bother wasting our time with climate change in the first instance anyway, when we all know the Average Australian does not care, and its time that we faced this.
Why?
The average Australian will tell you to your face.
‘’ Why should I worry about climate change, when it affects the Earth I will be dead’’.
To use a line from the greatest Australian political writer of all time
‘’Prove I lie’’.

The Oscar the grouch I am aware of gos through life with some ones hand up his bottom and lives in a garbage can.
Good place for this thread.
While our posts say a lot about us Oscar there is no need to shout we knew we knew., about you I mean.

Belly! Attack the grouch, er I mean the man instead of addressing the subject, why don’t you!

Not good.

I reckon Oscar is pretty close to the mark.

I see Rudd's disingenuity most seriously manifest itself with his implementation such enormously important policies as those to do with record high immigration and a big Australia without coming out and fully justifying his decisions.

This is just as shonky as all bu@@ery! As was his implementation of this immigration regime as soon as he won power without even mentioning it in the election campaign....which has to be construed as a deliberate and hugely misleading, duping, swindling and conning of the Australian public!

I'm no great fan of Rudd and his government, but attacking Rudd for his perceived personality defects doesn't seem very productive to me. I daresay similar criticisms could be mounted against any recent PM, and the alternative that's currently offer is worse, if anything.

<< Why bother wasting our time with climate change in the first instance anyway, when we all know the Average Australian does not care, and its time that we faced this.
Why?
The average Australian will tell you to your face.
‘’ Why should I worry about climate change, when it affects the Earth I will be dead’’. >>

This may well be the basis for the entrenched and ignorant climate denialism that we're currently seeing, but it's precisely why our government needs to act decisively and comprehensively on environmental issues like population and climate change, which are intrinsically linked. I agree that most people will probably act out of short-term self interest, with little consideration for the kind of country and world that we're bequeathing to our children.

That's why the Copenhagen talkfest is a good thing - at least it's a start. Which is not to say that I'm optimistic about anything much concrete coming out of it.

Ludwig, your complaint of ad hominem from Belly would be more credible if you didn't spend so much time slamming Rudd personally. I'm not so worried about him - nor indeed his Opposition counterpart - it's the actions and policies of his government that concern me.

<< Ludwig, your complaint … would be more credible if you didn't spend so much time slamming Rudd personally >>

<< it's the actions and policies of his government that concern me. >>

CJ, these statements seem to be a tad contradictory.

I’m slamming Rudd, and I mean absolutely slamming him, for his actions and policies. He’s the one in charge of our critically seriously antisustainability-oriented government. He deserves all the personal damnation that I and others can dish out in this regard.

It seems to me that good philosophical discussion topics on this forum get blasted and the writer faces insults if the post does not conform to others opinions.................Oh but wait a minute its online opionin if i am not mistaken.

I feel some of the uses on this site hide behind a keyboard and insult people because face to face they are cowards and cant argue with people.

I post intelligent debate only to be insulted by quite frankly........... idiots.......... that would not know how to get from the front door to thier letterbox without thier computer telling them how.

I mean it amazes me how the moderators allow the insults to fly all round.

I agree with LUDWIG.............Kevin Rudd should not be free from criticism.

To the people that constantly insult me for my opinions why dont you stop insulting everyone the minute the debate is past your basic concepts.................or here is a an idea.........come up with a better side of the argument............no soooooooory.......dont think............things happen...........bad things happen when people like you think.

Maybe online opinion needs a little room for the children to play in while the rest of us actually debate and make progress.

As for Kevin Rudd let him prove his worth.Untill then let him answer to us....the people.

This is Australia not some third world civil war dictatorship.

Oh and another thing.

C J Bogan ( Yes i owe you that one after several insults i have recieved from you........But unlike some i will not report you......i will play the game as best i can )

You say

'' This may well be the basis for the entrenched and ignorant climate denialism that we're currently seeing, but it's precisely why our government needs to act decisively and comprehensively on environmental issues like population and climate change, which are intrinsically linked. I agree that most people will probably act out of short-term self interest, with little consideration for the kind of country and world that we're bequeathing to our children.''

Do you live in Australia or what?

Climate change will be best for Australians when the the Australian corporate intersts say it is best.........and not before.

You see i dont know what part of this nation you live in but corporate Australia run this nation.....not the government that we elect..........and certainly not us.

There you go.........a debate.

Start typing......... dont insult me...... but post a counter argument against my staement and back it up with fact to prove i lie.........but dont insult me.........debate me.

And next time i will call you by your proper name.

Silence from you....or anyone will show that you cant prove i lie.

Hi Oscar,

I've come across an article that may
be of interest by Michelle Grattan,
The Age, Nov. 21 2009, entitled:
"Huge Tests Ahead For Rudd."

http://www.the age.com.au/national/huge-tests-ahead-for-rudd-20091120_iqyg.html

It gives a more balanced account of our PM.

Personally I don't feel that we can criticize him too
much until he's had at least two full terms in office.
He doesn't duck when things go wrong and
he does take on tough issues. It's Thanks to his
Government's quick and decisive response that's
currently shielding our economy from recession.
The Opposition is calling from the Economic
Stimulus Program to be wound back. That would be
dangerous according to financial experts when the
Australian Economy is still poised at a fragile stage.

An early exit from the Economic Stimulus Programs could
postpone or set back the jobs recovery from the global
financial crisis. Winding back the Stimulus prematurely
as the Coalition is proposing could send the economy into
a second downturn.

Our debt according to world standards is relatively small.

Anyway, you might find it amusing to read the following
article as well on Tony Abbott, for a bit of balance:

http://newmatilda.com/2009/12/03/abbott-reason-season
"Tony Abbott Is The Reason For The Season by
Ben Pobjie, 3 Dec. 2009.

Dear Oscar,

Sorry I mis-typed the Michelle Grattan website -
on our PM. Here it is again:

http://www.theage.com.au/national/huge-tests-ahead-for-rudd-20091120-iqyg.html

Thanks Foxy.

I am reading it now.

Oscar sorry old mate I have found nothing in your posts to agree with, any of them.
You put in print a complaint about me, then in a totally disjointed way say you will not complain.
While I have some respect for Ludwig, you have to earn it, an unlikely task, sorry honesty matters.
Now who said Rudd should not face criticism?
You and Ludwig are free to say what you wish, but please do not make it up.
No one said he is always right, see my warts and all quotes.
However fear? do not kid your self bloke not of any thing or anyone ever.
And not very bright? well you started that rubbish I will leave it to you but tie your dog up.
If he/she leaves home the average family IQ will drop ten points.
Ludwig, can you not see none of us is always right, just maybe your view of Rudd is wrong.
Knowing he is most likely to win this coming election with ease do you value your thoughts more than voters?

Hey belly

You say
''And not very bright? well you started that rubbish I will leave it to you but tie your dog up.
If he/she leaves home the average family IQ will drop ten points.''

Go ''....'' yourself!

Sorry moderator i know that you will remove this post but i am sick of being insulted.
I thought online opinion was just that......... free and open opinion.
Its just insult after insult.

Don't cancel my account it will not happewn again.I know that i should not let these low birth people get to me or should worry about them trying to meddle in the affairs of kings.............but every post i have had people insult me.

But at least leave it on long enouth for this idiot to see it.

One major problem with Krudd is that of trust.

Trust is something you earn and, with his immigration policy, failed solar and insulation policies, he is fast loosing the trust of many.

As for the environment, I feel that most people are concerned for the future and, we have come a long way in the past decade or so. But, the two major issues I see are, Krudds failure to fully explain his propossed ETS and, the fact that we as a nation ommit less than 1% of the worlds emmissions.

This is why many people are confussed, as we as a nation mean vertually nothing when it comes to global emmissions, so why bother.

Now when the large ommiters take serious action on climate change, which they won't yet commit to, then, and only then can we as a small nation think seriously about it.

You Oscar have a very real problem, you waded in saying I could not find my way to my letter box.
Insulted Rudd in what I think was an unfair, unbalanced way, along with the usual help from rechtub and Ludwig.
Did you think when you came to this forum it was a place you could insult others but not be subject to return serves.
I have noted you have been pulled up by many before we crossed swords.
You would not be aware I have met others like yourself here, debate with such is a waste of time.
While I intend never to converse with you again, it is respect for the forum not cowardice that drives me.
With your rather rude manner may I give you a tip?
If you intend to play verbal tennis change your racket for one that has strings in it.
And be aware your serves will often come back faster than you put them over the net.
For me Oscar it is a definite good by I left childish things behind a long time ago.

Knowing he is most likely to win this coming election with ease do you value your thoughts more than voters?

That's a huge statement to make Belly, are you then willing to back it up?

Are you willing to say that Krudd will win the election, or, as I suspect, not loose badly enough to be voted out. There is a huge difference mate.

Also, do you disagree when I say he has burned the trust of many with his failings? Or, will you simply avoid the toppic?

Finnally, please don't group me with anyone who makes personal insults as I do not. I have the deepest respect for anyone's opinions, no matter how far away they are from mine, but, facts are facts and can not be denied.

I agree, Belly - let's not feed this troll.

There is a saying that "the only way to ensure you never do anything wrong is never to do anything at all."

So far there is no chance of any wrongdoing by Rudd.

Belly, you've put up two more posts that add nothing the subject of this thread.

You are continuing to attack the man for simply expressing an opinion rather than addressing the subject.

My criticisms of Rudd are huge. There’s just so much for you to get stuck into. But it seems that you are loathe to do so, which indicates to me that you can’t counter my views and do actually reluctantly agree with me.

Do you really think Oscar is entirely off the mark with his comments about vanity and ego?

Do you think I’m wrong in criticising Rudd for boosting our immigration rate to record levels, while keeping his intentions a secret during the election campaign?

Do you think his big Australia push is a good thing?

Do you think his increase to the baby bonus was a good idea?

Do you think his rhetoric on reducing greenhouse gas emissions sits well with his policy of massively increasing the number of consumers and polluters?

Do you think he is justified in refusing to justify his massive immigration and big Australia policies, or to debate Abbott about climate change….or to put some substance behind many of his decisions and continue to remain aloof with the Australia people?

Do you think his performance in interviews, where he won't answer some of the questions put to him but spins silver-tongued waffle in response, goes down well with the public?

Do you think his ratio of time spent on the world stage or out of the country is reasonable compared to time spent at home?

Wow. I could ask another twenty questions, at least.

I look at Obama and compare him to Rudd. It seems to me that they are just poles apart in their appropriateness to hold their positions and in their ability to do the right thing for their countries.

On the subject of personal egos.
A "vain ego"appears to be a prerequisite for any leader of any country. Mr Rudd is in good company in this regard.

Nothing is more cringeworthy in my memory than the love-ins regularly enjoyed between John Howard and George W. Bush. It appeared to be the case than Mr Howard gained a sense of deep personal affirmation from his close association with the "President".

While acknowledging that it is in Australia's interest to keep her ties with the U.S. well polished, it was nauseating in the extreme to see our Prime Minister hitch his wagon so securely to one of the most inept administrations in American History - how dodgy did an outfit have to appear before a man of the supposed intelligence of John Howard saw through the hoopla?

Let's not underestimate the power of our politician's personal egos getting involved in matters of state.

It was Winston Churchill who once
told an audience to "never give in,
never, never, give in..." and he knew
whereof he spoke. Churchill spent the
1930s in the political wilderness
warning of the need to re-arm against
the Nazi threat, and was treated as a
bit of a joke by smaller men.

So of course a bookish, Mandarin-speaking
former diplomat as a Labor Leader and
Prime Minister to some people would
appear as being from another planet.

Ferociously bright and sure-footed, who
proved his capacity as Shadow Foreign Minister,
and has an excellent record of past political
performance,
and who describes himself as a "very determined
bastard," such a man could be accused by some as having
an "ego," instead of seeing the truth - that persistence
pays off.

He's accused of having "an agenda."
In the business of politics there's always an agenda.
His, on becoming PM was to overturn years of government
obstinancy and put wrongs to right by paving the way
for genuine Reconciliation between the Nation's first
people and non-indigenous Australians by an Apology and
then another Apology to the "Stolen Generation."

For many of us this was a watershed moment and it showed
that this Leader was capable of thinking big and backing
it up with effective action.

It's so easy to criticize a government's first term in
office. And forget the previous government's lack of
action after 12 years in office.

And I agree that to escape criticism - "do nothing,
say nothing, be nothing."

Come what may the current Government is rising to the
challenge and attempting to redefine and regenerate
our country and our place in the world.

We have a PM currently who isn't afraid to do whatever it
takes to lead. To win the civil war, Abraham Lincoln had
to democratically take authority away from the states
and invest it in a federal government that he made
bigger and stronger than any America had seen since its
founding.

Judge our current PM by his actions after a second term in
office - it's too soon to judge him now.

Poirot, Howard’s luvvy-duvvy relationship with Bush was indeed spurious, and I mean spew-rious! Upon thinking about that, Rudd does indeed seem a little bit less odious….but only a little little bit!
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<< Judge our current PM by his actions after a second term in office - it's too soon to judge him now. >>

I have a biiiig problem with that, Foxy.

I say, judge him as he goes. Don’t wait until we’re another four years down the track to pass judgement.

Ok, so perhaps I shouldn’t be too critical of Rudd for having a monstrous ego. But given that you do agree with me about sustainability and population stabilisation, how can you not be totally condemnatory of him for his massively antisustainability-oriented policies?

What about the questions I posed in my last post. Don’t you think he deserves a bucketload of criticism in relation to each one of them?

Should be at work, been home 30 minutes quite unwell.
Tried to continue work with e mails but it was in my in box.
I have been warned, about my posts in this thread.
Lets be clear.
I knew my two posts stretched the limits, but did the ones I addressed not provoke those actions?
I think OLO is a great forum, have only been chastened twice.
And that GY runs a fair ship,but can anyone recommend another forum?
I am giving my future here real thought, I have insulted Howard often, but the increasing bias, yes that is in my view what it is, in calling some not others is a concern,
Oscar the grouch is one of a long line that appear, insult complain, then leave.
Look at the views that I could not find my way to my letter box, think from my point of view about the inflammatory Krudd rubbish.
I am unsure if I want to continue to battle people who throw mud but do not except it back, in truth if I was [ and I was] wrong in posting that was I alone?
And while Graham has every right to be a conservative, others who despise my Labor roots too, I know beyond doubt most Australians intend to vote Labor, that is no crime it is basically a result of conservatives being out of touch.
Quite honest about other forums if you know one please tell me, and much of my rudeness would have been controlled if some did not constantly break rule one, do not divert threads.

Rechtub, I did not read the thread before posting that.
Take a seat, listen carefully,to my every word.
I truly may not be on this forum long, but I did challenge you to put your thoughts on Australian politics 2010 here in print.
If Rudd does not win by an increased majority, I will eat raw the full contents of your bones basket, out the front of a shop of your choice.
Now Ludwig, your understanding of politics does not match your knowledge of Australian trees.
If I know anything, my understanding of politics is my best achievement.
You rechtub now have the chance to prove me wrong, or to put your ideas for the coming year in print.
In the spelling paddock, will return to watch This thread but considering my future
Almost every one who posts here long term has earned my respect.

Belly

<< Almost every one who posts here long term has earned my respect. >>

So why leave us, Belly?

I for one hope you reconsider any idea of moving to another site. You would be greatly missed here. :)

Dear Belly,

Don't you dare even think of leaving.
You keep us balanced - and you've got
integrity to spare. You've never deliberately
hurt or insulted anyone - and we regard you
as family. We love and respect you.
Please stay?

Dear Ludwig,

I know that population growth and sustainability
are major peeves for you.

No one is denying the fact that there are huge problems
on us being able to not only sustain the population
we currently have, let alone a growing population.

We're faced with enormous problems in this country,
from pollution, droughts, urban encroachment, severly
stressed water supplies, transport, and so on.

However, that's why I suggested that the current
Government be judged after two terms in office.

Give them a chance to implement their programs.
Let's wait and see what sort of National Infrastructure
they're planning to put in place, let's see what sort of
urban rail projects they have in mind, what sort of Land
Supply Arrangements for the States and Territories,
and so on.

Kevin Rudd discussed some of these projects with
Kerry O'Brien on the ABC - perhaps you saw the program?

The PM told Kerry:

"National Leadership is necessary to plan for the
future of our population. A challenge which has
been left to languish before..."

All I'm saying is don't follow Abbott's & Co. mantra of
condemnation. Judge, when the current Government
has been in power longer than just one term.
They've had a lot to deal with in their first term in
office - and seeing us through the Global Financial
Crisis successfully - with their quick and decisive
action - has been quite an achievement in
itself.

An open post to belly.

Listen,the bottom line is that you stated to insult me right away from the begginning,the minute i posted the topic.
Look at the posts and you will see.
All i wanted was to have a debate.
I reported because you were insulting me.And thats a fact
Well im sorry but if you cant handle anothers opinion ,dont post anything then.
Remember one thing, this is a virtual communitty,an online communitty all this crap about respect this and respect that,get real.
I think you should debate poeople more and use your anger within your posts to put ideas accross instead of:

'' The Oscar the grouch I am aware of gos through life with some ones hand up his bottom and lives in a garbage can.
Good place for this thread.''

That was the first post.
And then again you said

''And not very bright? well you started that rubbish I will leave it to you but tie your dog up.
If he/she leaves home the average family IQ will drop ten points.''

What you said was the type of thing that i dont thing you would say to anyone face-to-face.

And then you wonder why i reported you.

Accept the fact you have not debated at all but insult me.
Cop this on the chin and remember for next time.

You see i debate. i dont insult unless i am provoked and other uses could also see your rudeness as well.All you have to do is read all the posts.

Im sorry but i will not stand for it.

And if your a labor voter, big deal get over yourself ,and accept opinions of our Prime Minister.

I hope next time this is a proper debate and not this childish crap.

If you apologise to me maybe we can get past it all.

I apoligize for anything i said about you anyway.
I hope we can debate in the future.

Belly, you're not leaving. While we often disagree, I respect you as much as I do anybody here. You speak from the heart, with rare honesty.

Just ignore this apparently hypersensitive troll. We've seen worse, and there'll be plenty more.

Get well soon, mate :)

Belly, for what it's worth, I would not like to see you go either.

Now as for me predicting the future for 2010, I will wait until there is an outcome from Copenhagen, which, by the way, is what Krudd should have done before trying to ram his ETS down our necks.

At present, it looks like we would have been in the 'vast minority' if we had gone to the summit with an ETS in place and, as I have said before, this may well come back to haunt him.

Now blind freddie knows that the libs don't stand a chance in hell of winning the next election, much the same as labor was before they found Rudd.

The interesting point will be whether they loose ground or not and, if they do, it will be yet anothet hollow victory for labor.

Dear Belly

As you might know, I'm a new kid on the block at OLO.
I've found it a particularly stimulating forum - I don't know if there's anything else like it around.
I hope that you will decide to stay...

Rather than wade through all the technical information, may I respectfully suggest you ALL google 'Professor Bob Carter' then find and WATCH '7 torpedoes' both informative and funny. He will explain the 'scam' perpetrated by political entities and inform you all of facts I'll bet you didn't know. A real eye opener. Do it for yourself and everyone else who thinks the world is heating up with human contributed CO2.
The gang of 4 who have destroyed the Aussie dream for all time are ..
Whitlam, Hawke, Keeting, Rudd [ personal opinion ]

Thanks every one I am staying , ignoring the troll but still interested in other forums.

Belly, I’m a bit perturbed that you haven’t responded to any of the direct questions that I asked of you.

I don’t understand how you can keep posting and stating your disagreement while refusing to be drawn into any debate! You've expressed considerable frustration here. And I express considerable frustration over this.

<< Now Ludwig, your understanding of politics does not match your knowledge of Australian trees. >>

Quite true. I do profess to be something of an expert of the Australian flora, and to be nowhere near an expert on politics. But Belly, a person doesn't have to be any sort of expert to express their views on OLO.

You are obviously a very well-respected poster on this forum. Glad to see that you are hangin’ around.

Belly, mate, you have to thicken that skin. After all, you taught the libs about this type of stuff, in the first lpace.

Your lot spent years referring to the previous PM as "the rodent". Did you really ecpect that the other lot would not return the compliment, when the time came?

You spent years, with a far from truthful, but clever, campaign, trying to get rid of the "honest John" image. Did you expect this concept was your exclusive prerogative?

Now we have a bloke, who's very name describes him to a T, & you get shirty when others use it. In your private thoughts, even you must know, he's a pretty KRuddy bloke.

You also have that silly girl who appears to have dropped an R from her name. Penny Wrong suit her so well, don't youi think?

Most of us, in our hearts, do feel sorry for you, having to pretend you admire that pair, but of course, we'er never going to admit to it, ever.

Oscar, it’s a bit of a rude awakening to be slammed for simply putting up your views for sensible debate. The same thing happened to me with my very first post in 2005. And it happened many times in the early days. But it is rare these days.

I’ve had an almighty hoo haa with our Mr Morgan that went on for a long time. But thank goodness that is behind us now. These days we just let each other be, with no digs to the ribs, hey CJ (:>).

I read the rubbish he writes and roll my eyes…and leave it at that.

OO oo oo ooww…pretend I didn’t write that!! ( :>#

Um, yes, well…just about no digs to the ribs!

Oscar, very good to see you offer a truce to Belly..and very disappointing to see him call you a troll after that. However, he is indeed a good OLO contributor, who has just been quite out of character on this thread.

I encourage you to stick with OLO.

Belly,
You must really be unwell. An old stager like you thinking of giving up the fight. I could not believe it, you are too thick skinned and have had too many stoushes to simply give in.

You and I have disagreed on many things, but I see you as a practical bloke and respect your opinion, even when I disagree. There is nothing put on or pretentious about you. I just wish more Labor party members were like you, but sadly I think not. No wonder you have fights within your party.

I have little respect for either major party, but I could have a beer and discussion with you anytime.

Oscar,
I do not agree with you about your reasoning that Aussies say climate change won't effect them on their life time.

I reckon Aussies recognize that AGW is not proven and is a religion to some. Most are sceptical about it, as I am, and want proof before doing anything. The government has made no effort to explain the ETS, or how it would reduce our CO2 emmissions. In addition it is a tax and will cost us plenty and doubt that our efforts will make any difference to the world. That is what Aussies think about AGW and the ETS.

Gday all, well again and first thing thanks to those who supported me.
Hasbeen re read the thread, please do, look at my quotes, see the one I left out a bit. surely you or anyone can see , it was my intention to highlight the fact my intelligence had been questioned, the not to bright quote was me, in my view it had clearly been stated I could not find my letter box.In truth being pulled up for my posts, was in my view a bit one sided, remember both sides had offended.
And only one ran to father to complain.
And review that post that the poster himself thought should be deleted.
Do not waste your time OTG never ever again will we converse.
Ludwig.
Rudd why I like him,
He said sorry, restored my pride in my country.
He does truly want a fairer country
He got rid of work choices.
He has tight controls in place, his cabinet will never be infected by the grubs that infest NSW Labor.
He has plans for this country's future, we rarely have seen such good polling.
You surely having said you know less about politics that trees understand I , every Australian can write ten pages of things I do not like about him?
But I can write three to one about the things I do like.
Look, understand, current Liberal party directions.
Can you see the boil that has been the extremist right has now gained control?
The problem took control not the answer.
Write me ten things you like about directions of the opposition.
My thick skin was penetrated by just how many times things have gone unchallenged , from me and others, but a newby who said he would not complain got instant action.
regards

Dear Belly,

All's well that ends well.

I'm so glad that you've decided to stay.

We all have our differences of opinion -
and quite often things get so heated.
Look at Herman Yutic and myself - however,
I know there's no real malice there between
us - just strong opinions that clash. And that's
only one example. We don't always have all the
answers - and as you know many people miff us off
at times - but I guess that's to be expected on
a public Forum such as this one. I know I miff
people off as well.

Anyway, as I said - "All's well that ends well!"

Welcome back - and I hope you're feeling better!
Big Hug.

Thanks Belly for listing a few things that you like about Rudd.

I guess it goes without saying that I think those things are vastly less significant, even if they are all true, than my set of criticisms of him. But I guess we’ll just have to beg to differ and respect each other’s views.

<< Write me ten things you like about directions of the opposition >>

I can’t think of one! It is not about Labor or Liberal or incumbent and opposition parties. Its about policies and philosophies and what they mean for our future.

I’ve said it heaps of times: the Libs and Labs are peas in a pod. They are essentially the same.

Give the Cliche' Kid a blow dryer,mirror,slick UN posting and Kevin will have reached his ultimate nirvana.Just like the caged parrot infatuated with his own image,Kevin lives in a time warp of narsisstic splendour.

The power brokers know that they can easily manipulate him for their own purposes.That is the really scarey reality that we the electorate now face.He is willing to sign away our freedoms without examining the detail of the Copenhagen agreements and fails to consult us in disclosing the full contractural arrangements.