At the very start of this thread you could see if you wanted to we would never get a worthwhile out come.
Its author never wanted one.
It is meaning less writing on a wall , just an attempt to put blame on Muslims for an act of murder.
But for some it seems blame America is their call.
I find some who say others are blind to be living in glass houses.
And wonder why we must constantly flog one another from different sides of the racial/religious wall.
Surely it is clear? every religion divides men?
And while great good comes from every one of them so too does great harm?
Like walking over very thin ice, I look for words that will offend less but in truth I find no reason to defend any religion.
And think of the great wonderful world we could have without any of them.
Catholics are an easy target, crimes against children just one of many, but unlike Muslims I can not remember one threatening to kill me.
Am I evil? is it wrong to ask why we must bend to another culture?
Is it so dreadful to truly believe we would be so much better without any man made Gods?
And do not over look this threads author who hooked us all, did not know this folk are not Muslims.
And that he/she never came back

Dear runner,

You commented on the teachings of Jesus vs. those of Mohammed. Anglican Bishop Spong has cited Biblical justification for hatred of non-Christians, women, Jews and homosexuals along with general intolerance. By exposing those texts he is trying to get Christianity to confront its past and rid itself of those evil trends. Some Christians find him unsettling and call him a heretic. Jesus commented on looking at the mote in your neighbour's eye while ignoring the beam in your own. Spong has looked at the beam in Christianity's eye.

From his website on the terrible texts:

http://www.johnshelbyspong.com/bishopspongon_theTerribleTexts.aspx

RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY:
"No one comes to the Father but by me" (John 14:6); This text has helped to create a world where adherents of one religion feel compelled to kill adherents of another. A veritable renaissance of religious terror now confronts us and is making against us the claims we have long made against religious traditions different from our own.

The first person executed for heresy after Christianity became the official religion of the Roman Empire was Priscillian. The Christian Jew hatred promoted for centuries made the Holocaust possible. The Christian murders are a result of Christian teaching.

The US shooting? I see it as another excuse to bring in Marshal Law a bit closer.It is most likely a cia job to force a split between groups.
The Tamil affair? Send single men home.Give families temporary visa's with a restricted job for two years to prove themselves.
Both issues are a distraction for the bigger picture, which is Copenhagen, and I hope it doesn't get signed by our PM, even though a minister has already (pre)signed.

Yep csteele, your post is lucid, thanks for your idle musing.

It looks like glentryst (new to OLO?) has not only spooked the chief editor/moderator with his headline and a couple of short, sharp, swift (and as yet unsubstantiated) statements but also spooked everybody else.

There is no doubt that the 'discussion' would have happened anyway, I am just surprised (well, maybe not) that no effort was made to get glentryst to explain/expand his post a little more before it was published.

Seano, a court of law would consign ownership of the bullet which reportedly paralysed the perpetrator to
the woman who propelled it.
at law, it was neither her supervisor's bullet, the governor's bullet, Obama's bullet or the manufacturer's bullet,
it was a woman's bullet.

previously you wrote, "Women and men have equal opportunity to run for government", to which i added
the qualification 'to be elected to men's legislatures where everybody remains under male supervision'.
it's not off topic to suggest the nub of the problem posed by this thread is patriarchy not religion.
to claim otherwise if you are male is an abrogation of reponsibility.
i repeat, the solution is to empower women, preferably with a legislature rather than a bullet,
and empowerment begins at home.

an equal rights republic has already been discussed at length on this site as you will see if you review
my posts or follow the 'view discussion' links on this site: http://2mf.net .
your taxes have been collected and distributed according to the deliberations of men's legislatures to which
women are admitted under male supervision.
blame men if you have a problem with how your money has been spent.

whistler, you say:

<< it's not off topic to suggest the nub of the problem posed by this thread is patriarchy not religion. >> WHAT?

<< to claim otherwise if you are male is an abrogation of responsibility. >> Excuse me?

<< i repeat, the solution is to empower women, preferably with a legislature rather than a bullet, and empowerment begins at home. >> Say again?

Actually, the topic is (was?):

"the guy that shot everyone at the Texas army base is a Muslim."

Sub-topics?

"There are now too many muslims in australia which will end up dangerous."

"The Tamils on the ship are not refugees, they have lived in Indonesia for 5 years and had a place that is only 49 km" yada-yada

and something about "Naru".

Honestly, you may have some genuine gripes and I can empathise with some of them, really. However, I think you are drawing too long a bow to suggest the "nub of the problem posed by this thread is patriarchy not religion."

Hey, start a new discussion thread, it's got to be better than this one :)