Belly

I have never considered or entertained the thought that you or supporters of the Labour party support pedophilia. My point was that legislation is being voted and has been passed by many of these grubs who we later find out have abused kids (of which the Labour party has had a number of. The flow on affect of having corrupt men and women in PArliament is porn flooding the market and more child abuse. I know that the Labour party do have some good people in it. Unfortuantely they don't seem to get much of a voice.

I have little interest in church denominations as I agree all have bad apples including the church I have attended. If my faith was in a denomination I would of left the church long ago. These grubs however are not influencing our laws. We both agree on the same punishment for them whether they do it behind a frock or as a abuse of political power.

Foxy I offer as evidence of a lost, dysfunctional opposition this.
On Friday a very big name in the Liberal side said quote.
Even if labor excepts every amendment we may not vote for the system.
end quote.
A dead unfocused party, insulting those who built it in the belief voters are not aware what they are doing.
a policy of no policy other than oppose every thing, lie and try to miss lead on every issue, even denying their own party's policy's.
The coming election will be a dramatic lesson, the new leadership team will have even less talent.

Dear Belly,

I know the person you're referring to - he was
in the media recently and I admit that I too
found it very disappointing to have someone
so prominent in the Party make such negative statements -
which only brought the entire "negotiation"
process that's currently in play between the
parties into question. The comments also
undermine their own Leadership - which supposedly
is supporting these negotiations.

Poor show, I'd say!

" I offer as evidence of a lost, dysfunctional opposition this.
On Friday a very big name in the Liberal side said quote.
Even if labor excepts every amendment we may not vote for the system.
end quote."

Belly that could also be a sign that generally the right of politics has some tolerance for dissenting views. :)

Runner when Belly is claiming that the ALP is headed by an all knowing, all powerfull being who had advance knowledge of every bit of corruption committed by ALP members, advance knowledge of every incident of child abuse perpetrated by ALP members, who had the power and authority to act to stop every one of those incidents yet chose to not do so your complaints might make some sense. If your god knows all yet chose to allow child abuse to go on for a long time you have no place to criticise Belly's support for a party where there is no evidence that the leaders knew of the worst of the abuses yet chose to do nothing.

R0bert

Dear Robert,

I strongly disagree with your suggestion
that the right may have a tolerance for dissenting
views. Liberal Senator Nick Minchin deliberately
undermined Malcolm Turnbull's attempt to get a
deal with the Government. Senator Minchin is a
well known climate hardliner - and saying publicly
that the Opposition may reject the legislation even
if it gets its amendments is entirely incompatible
with good faith negotiations.

I agree completely with with Acting Climate Minister
Greg Combet who said:

"Negotiating with someone whose only baseline
position is that they don't want a deal is not a
negotiation - it's just another form of delay."

The Government is trying to do something positive -
they want to go to the Copenhagen Conference (in
December) with a clear position for Australia on
climate change. The Leader of the Opposition says
he and his Party support this - they have presented
a list of amendments - and now is the time for
genuine negotiations in good faith to be done - not
to use cheap delaying tactics to undermine the entire
process.

RObert I have never had anything but the up most respect for you.
You do not post as much as I would like.
In my view you and I from different sides of the fence show why this is the lucky country.
We find no reason to hate those who think differently.
I know, yes with certainty, my party is not always right, often gets it wrong.
But it is my view current conservative thought is lost.
In the vain hope slander and miss information, near lies and an opposition to every thing, is the best path back to government.
Surely it is not?
However while I am Labor forever the day will come, Labor will one day find the shine has faded.
I am more than willing to say not before at least
Two more election wins.
And a strong Liberal party, better for its time in the wilderness will be a fact.
Look closely at how low Labor went, gee we had Simon Crean as leader!
And in spite and rage he handed us over the Mad Mark Latham.
Policy's, new ideas, a focus on what the public want , are the future tools for Conservatives.
I see no freedom to think differently in conservatives, I see unfocused self destruction , a leader unable to lead and never able to win, who tell me currently in the house can replace him.
Yet replace him they must.