Foxy do not be upset by shadow minister, he may well be, and for a very long time, a shadow minister sounds very much like one to me and as does hasbeen.
You are quite right Kevin in very early years financed his wife.
It was very much touch and go, but she made it work.
In my view the difference between liberal middle aged men and Labor men of the same age is I, well past middle age, can see good in the other side.
Mind you it is not easy just now.
With respect SM and hasbeen appear to be front bencher's in the land of the extremely lost conservatives.

space would not allow reporting on the number of recent State Labour and ex Labour MP's who have been up on padeophille, corruption and lying charges. No wonder the floodgates have opened on porn and child abuse when we have such corrupt individuals in parliament. They are starting to make the Catholic church look good. These are mainly middle age men we can do without in Parliament. We are reaping what we are sowing.

Runner, you do yourself no service by being so openly one sided.

Ok, please give me the name of your Church (the denomination you worship under). Then give me 24 hours. I'll then come back here with a page full of criminal offences committed by people affiliated with your denomination.

I'm waiting.

Dear Belly,

Thanks for your concern - I deeply
appreciate it. It's such a gracious act.
You're a gentlemen, and a friend.

I think we're all thrown
curve balls in the form of people and situations
we're tempted to judge.

How otherwise would we grow but by growing
through such challenges.

Thanks Foxy I learn and grow every day.
Runner the shear bigotry in that post concerns me.
You seem to have changed over the last few months.
Always willing to invade threads to preach.
But now you kick other Church's and put me and my party in the evil bin.
Do you remember I was once a committed Christian?
Believe me mate in my life's journey I always wanted better and fell into that honey trap.
Thought we had no need to act better God would fix it.
Such as you runner woke me up.
An over heard telephone conversation [yes illegal but it happened] a minister telling another how much more could be raised on Sunday.
How to get it, how to spend it, my preacher was one of the two.
Now for Labors trash, we have some,
Not unlike any human group, you for instance, bad apples exist.
ANY one, from within my party, who is a pedophile, who is a criminal, earns my contempt.
Prison is never enough.
Bloke your God IS NOT WELL SERVED BY SUCH AS YOU.
I woke and continued to learn and grow.
No God exists, hope does the wish one could exist does the need for comfort does, but if he/she did exist you would not be a spokes person.

Hasbeen, it's interesting that you label Foxy as naive, however I find that there's this strange kind of reverse-naivete that applies to quite a number of posters.

It's the hyper-cynicism that results in a similar disconnect from reality - naive people don't appreciate the threats that exist in the world, nor do they recognise the full extent of the nastiness that can reside in people.

The hyper-cynical types do exactly the opposite. They believe any bad thing they hear, they're the types who you typically hear expounding dodgy 9-11 theories, or telling us how the entire world is controlled by a few cartels, or how the footy is rigged, or how everything's going to hell in a handbasket and things were better back in 'their' day.

They're just as naive as each other, and your posts occasionally come across as willing to believe the worst of everything.

Between the gullible extremes that make up the naive and the hyper-cynical, I'll take the naive every time as they're far more pleasant company, though I don't think either can apply to Foxy.