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The demise of Plain English

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Examinator
Your point is clearly made. I don't deny that language inevitably changes and evolves to suit the times. No-one is mourning the passing of Chaucer.

When you work around bulldust a lot it becomes not only tedious but comic after a time. I wasn't around in the 30s, 40s or 50s so I don't know if the spin was more of the same but done in a different way. Certainly if you read old newspaper clippings the standard of journalism was very different, much more straightforward, factual, well researched and not as opinionated.

The fact is people are tiring of the spin of politicians and the growing cynicism reflects this dissatisfaction in our governments. I think it has got worse or maybe we have got smarter I am not sure which.

This 'rant' is more than just being tired by buzz words, it is about a wish for more honesty in what those in power say and do.
Posted by pelican, Sunday, 11 October 2009 9:25:03 PM
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>>Your spin...made urban legend by constant telling. I think you'll find it harder to justify with facts.<<

Examinator,

Doesn't every legend have a kernel of truth to it? And, the facts, don't forget are interpreted by the winners, just like they say history is written by the winners. So, your argument is merely reflecting who wins as opposed to the truth of the claims? After all, "losers" (a very subjective term) in life are never portrayed in a positive light no matter what they do.

There's no doubt that the APS is nowhere near as strategic in policy and administrative terms as it was, say, 20 years ago. I'm sure this could be clearly and demonstratively proved. This, to my mind, points to a thinning out of talent, by one means or another, in the ranks. In fact, I know it is so because I have seen what was there before and what has replaced it, and the trend, in terms of overall standards, is not good.
Posted by RobP, Monday, 12 October 2009 8:32:49 AM
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One of the terms that annoyed me for a long time was "workshop". "We're going to a counseling workshop... [bring your own hammer]..." - it just seemed a silly way to describe a talk fest.

A current irritation for me is the phrase, "... rolling out." Various trendy government speakers are rolling out this and someone else is rolling out that; as if they've deployed a legion of tanks across the State or something - it's all supposed to be big and busy and do, do, do. At every presentation for the past year or two someone has announced "... a roll out" that they're busy "... rolling out."

In fact, a couple of good, basic vocabulary words would be much more accurate: distributing; disseminating; circulating; spreading, and so on.

OUG: Haha brilliant post-modernist you are ! "Worship - warship" - you're exceptional!

<"see it's all about..legal standing..in court the judge even asks..if/you UNDER/stand...legally meaning..do you stand UNDER the law..[ie..U..are a public servant..under the act...

and..the mug in the dock..says..yes your honour..[your/whorship[warship..because its a maritime/contract/civil..juristiction..">
Posted by Pynchme, Monday, 12 October 2009 9:10:42 AM
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How They Brainwash A Nation
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Federal Jack
October 9, 2009

Editor’s note: As documented by the late Antony C. Sutton, Russian Marxism was created by Wall Street. “The question now in the readers’ minds must be, were these bankers also secret Bolsheviks? No, of course not. The financiers were without ideology. It would be a gross misinterpretation to assume that assistance for the Bolshevists was ideologically motivated, in any narrow sense. The financiers were power-motivated and therefore assisted any political vehicle that would give them an entree to power.” This effort “appears to be the foreign counterpart of Carroll Quigley’s claim that J.P. Morgan infiltrated the domestic left. Morgan also infiltrated the international left,” Sutton claims.

This amazing interview was done back in 1985 with a former KGB agent who was trained in subversion techniques. He explains the 4 basic steps to socially engineering entire generations into thinking and behaving the way those in power want them to. It’s shocking because our nation has been transformed in the exact same way, and followed the exact same steps.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rezel2u2V0&feature=player_embedded
http://www.infowars.com/the-disappearing-middle-class-dream/
http://www.infowars.com/reid-likely-to-make-entire-health-bill-an-amendment-to-unrelated-tax-bill-that-house-passed-in-march/

Government and corporate media prepare to tell the masses they are unethical for opposing the vaccine.
http://www.infowars.com/corporate-media-is-not-taking-the-vaccine-unethical/

private police-ing forces
http://www.infowars.com/ravenwood-comes-to-america/
http://www.infowars.com/dhs-strips-arizona-sheriff-of-authority-to-patrol-for-illegal-immigrants/

why
http://www.infowars.com/government-to-use-swine-flu-for-another-control-mechanism/
http://www.infowars.com/criminalizing-everyone/
http://www.infowars.com/patriot-act-sneak-and-peek-searches-targeted-drug-offenders-not-terrorists/
http://www.infowars.com/abc-reporter-discovers-broad-terror-net/

http://www.infowars.com/kids-sing-for-cnn-obamacare-propaganda/
http://www.infowars.com/elbaradei-says-nuclear-israel-number-one-threat-to-mideast/

dollar demise
http://www.infowars.com/the-truth-on-the-dollar-demise/
http://www.infowars.com/former-imf-economist-obama-missed-opportunity-to-reform-financial-system/
http://www.infowars.com/war-is-peace-freedom-is-slavery-ignorance-is-strength/
Posted by one under god, Monday, 12 October 2009 9:26:39 AM
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pelican, Such rebellion! Be careful.

I once abruptly ended a job interview after this HR woman told me there would be 3 interviews, one with her, then a proper interview (technical), then a personality test, and then she began reciting the company's mission statement. As soon as she had finished her mission statement, I stood up and told her this isn't the company I'm looking for and walked out. She was quite puzzled. The agency was not pleased, but I saved time for a lot of people.

Key Stakeholders is my favourite. Or is it key Steakholders?

I think I've medalled! Or mabe just podiumed.

gr8 2 c u! Wil spk l8tr.

'The fact is people are tiring of the spin of politicians and the growing cynicism reflects this dissatisfaction in our governments. I think it has got worse or maybe we have got smarter I am not sure which.'

I think you really have to blame the populace and the media. Politicians cant say anything without being deliberately misinterpreted, and they must say something about everything. Actually even the Australian cricket captain has a hell of a lot of media work, and sports people have learnt to say even less than politicians, and they have nothing to hide!

I agree with this from Tony Blair

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/6744581.stm

Frequently the problem is as much assembling the facts as giving them. Make a mistake and you quickly transfer from drama into crisis. In the 1960s the government would sometimes, on a serious issue, have a Cabinet lasting two days.

It would be laughable to think you could do that now without the heavens falling in before lunch on the first day. Things harden within minutes. I mean you can't let speculation stay out there for longer than an instant.

I am going to say something that few people in public life will say, but most know is absolutely true: a vast aspect of our jobs today - outside of the really major decisions, as big as anything else - is coping with the media, its sheer scale, weight and constant hyperactivity.
Posted by Houellebecq, Monday, 12 October 2009 10:20:17 AM
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Love your work.........

Are you with me yet?
To all intents and purposes the totality of the arguments (each and every one) would lead us to believe that, all things being equal, we should quit our reliance on the project in question. It is absolutely and abundantly clear that as far as I am concerned at the end of the day, we basically need new directions. We need to roll out a better customer interface.
At this moment in time we currently take the process of scheduling the roll out of prioritized initiatives to the point where no one can actually understand what we are talking about. We attempt to leverage off grass roots thinking at the coal-face, but at the end of the day will have little tangible, customer focussed material to go on. Even the grass roots, whoever they are, have long since forgotten what it is we actually do.
Actually, and as a matter of fact, during the period from start-up to the present day it has been one of growing confusion, jargon and unmeaningful communications. We tried to embed a behavioural & cultural environment interface into all our key business processes. We integrated all our risk silos, and talked up the process at seminars and workshops, indeed we over-workshopped in some employee’s minds. And at the end of the day we are dysfunctional as a corporate entity despite some serious efforts at ground-truthing our modus operandi. In my opinion we have also marginalized our clients and made our client interface hard to understand. I mean to say its not rocket science after all!

Last but not least, and with all other things being equal we obviously need to attend to the fact of the matter. I would like to take this opportunity to recommend that in point of fact, and the final analysis, regarding the collaborative, scalable & customizable work, it was never destined to fly well. The fact of the matter is that the fly-wheel has fallen off, and at the end of the day, nobody can find it.
Posted by renew, Monday, 12 October 2009 11:58:26 AM
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