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The demise of Plain English
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LOL@UOG calling someone a troll.
Posted by StG, Saturday, 10 October 2009 8:23:05 PM
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Plain English?! How will consultants ever survive?
As for mission statements etc being good for organisations, those were all invented so consultants and contractors could have some generic models to get their legs into organisations and to help them talk with management. After all, there was no way that they were going to put the resources and effort into really understanding the business and processes of their 'clients' (more likely, victims) and such models and new-speak gave them faux legitimacy and power. The funniest line of spin I ever heard was invented by a consultancy firm: we were always to tell targets (CEOs, senior managers) we could 'add value'. What a joke, the idea was to get a toe in, lever the workers out and replace them - all care and no responsibility while tapping into the nearest $$ artery. Nothing has changed. Posted by Cornflower, Sunday, 11 October 2009 9:44:54 AM
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StG
Yes I am not sure how I gained troll status. Never mind. :) Cornflower Since the government started expanding outsourcing, noxious management drivel has seeped into the corporate sector so they can compete in the same language. A lot of these consultancies are bought in to legitimize unpopular decisions and to remove the responsibility to external 'impartial' advice. When you think about it, managers are paid to manage and should be able to harness the expertise within their own agencies to make these decisions. You would think we would learn but we are destined to repeat the mistakes of the past. Posted by pelican, Sunday, 11 October 2009 10:03:05 AM
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dammm..it were a throwaway line..for fuc sake..every one knows im the troll...looking for linkage to post stuff..i see as adding to our olo experience..like the demise of plain english...is a de-liberated systemised attack..to explain..not ruperts post about paid content/cointent..or the other cccrap the media calls news...i put the full blame on media spin
here is some more spin unwinding October 09, 2009 Govt-Funded Research Unit Destroyed Original Climate Data Thomas Lifson America is being asked to spend trillions on a theory,..some of whose foundational data has been destroyed,..allegedly for a lack of storage space. If the data cannot be reviewed,..it cannot be trusted, scientifically. Via Christine Hall and the Competitive Enterprise Institute: http://cei.org/news-release/2009/10/05/govt-funded-research-unit-destroyed-original-climate-data In the wake of a revelation by a key research institution that it destroyed its original climate data,..the Competitive Enterprise Institute..petitioned EPA to reopen a major global warming proceeding. In mid-August the University of East Anglia's Climate Research Unit (CRU)disclosed that it had destroyed the raw data..for its global surface temperature data set..because of an alleged/lack of storage space. The CRU data..have been the basis for several of the major international studies..that claim we face a global warming crisis. CRU's destruction of data,..however,..severely undercuts the credibility of those studies. In a declaration filed with CEI's petition,Cato Institute scholar and climate scientist Patrick Michaels calls CRU's revelation.."a totally new element"..that "violates basic scientific principles,..and "throws even more doubt"..on the claims of global warming alarmists. http://www.worldclimatereport.com/index.php/2009/10/06/antarctic-ice-melt-at-lowest-levels-in-satellite-era/ This data destruction has the odor of fraud about it. equal to the demise of our buzz ridden new speak..where news is sport..and piece prizes..are gifted to the ruler/pres of the biggest warmongering [dynomight]..consumer..ever...its almost like a payback of the proffits of war..[paid to the nobel patent right..to blow people/things up http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=120477783171&ssPageName=STRK:MESELX:IT i wouldnt have to troll..news..if the media published..the..real news http://whatreallyhappened.com/ Posted by one under god, Sunday, 11 October 2009 11:28:46 AM
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>>It is always the same in the PS the doers go and the number of oversighters continues to grow. And with it real services to those most in need are reduced.<<
Pelican, Too true. My experience exactly - the system tends to first grind the doers into the dust (and then out the door) with minimal recognition and reward, while the management disappears above the cloud layer into some kind of parallel universe. The PS would do well to get rid of lots of their middle-ranking senior officers who earn in the $80-110k wage range for merely spending their entire careers writing emails to one another and pretending to be of some kind of value to the Government and the public. It's getting to the stage where the lazy element in the PS is causing those who are prepared to work for some greater good to be either stressed out or deadened. A clean-out and re-equilibration of the PS is long overdue. Posted by RobP, Sunday, 11 October 2009 12:58:38 PM
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Gooseberry time. (spin term)
Many of you are using buzz words, idiom,(PS) in your attacks on the same. Make up your minds are they good or bad. If they are bad and you want plain English then do so. Personally I gave up that fight years ago. Language changes constantly, the argument about usage has been around for for ever. Do you really hanker for Chaucer, that was common English of the time, Shakespearean style maybe Dickensian phraseology (all words of the latter two are still in the Oxford)? Phraseology tend like literature tends to follow trends they change with every generation. Consider these 'trouble is...', 'what ever', 'eeeww', etc. Bits, Bytes, etc were once Buzz words (which is also a buzz word) Question which/whose English do you mean? Speech making/ politicians have always been big on emotion low on detail. Pelican, Howard a better orator? 'Repudiate '(bloody every thing), 'Core and non core promises', 'Off-shore Detention centres' , 'Work choices' come on girl he was full of it. Rudd full of catch phrases. That is oratory generally simple, pithy, emotionally charged slogans. Consider any politician and what is remembered are the catch phrases. "….square deal......" "I had a dream...." " I may not agree with what you say..." "....Ask not what your country can do for you....." "One small step for mankind...." "Reds under the bed....." "Yes we can..." Test. The above were famous speeches that were made memorable because of the catch phrase. To prove my point who said them and then what was the context then name 2 other speeches by the same person. BTW there is an error in there for fun. Spin is also used in a buzz word context (modern). If you are just Trojan horsing to bash the PS have a good rave but remember too that it is Your spin...made urban legend by constant telling. I think you'll find it harder to justify with facts. Given over time the PS is a growing. Private Enterprise wax and wane too. (spot the buzz words in that?) Anyone not get my point? Posted by examinator, Sunday, 11 October 2009 5:09:02 PM
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